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Board limits tree-cutting along lakes
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | November 23, 2004 | Scott Williams

Posted on 11/24/2004 2:14:22 PM PST by Chummy

Board limits tree-cutting along lakes

But some say rules unfair to private landowners

By SCOTT WILLIAMS
Posted: Nov. 23, 2004

Waukesha - A move to protect trees along Waukesha County lakefronts stirred a philosophical debate among county supervisors Tuesday on the role of government in safeguarding the environment.

The County Board approved regulations restricting a property owner's ability to remove trees within 35 feet of a lake.

Many supervisors opposed the measure, arguing that property owners should not be accountable to government when deciding whether to remove trees on their own land.

"This, to me, is over-regulation," Supervisor Karl Nilson of New Berlin said.

After nearly an hour of debate, the board passed the restrictions on a 21-8 vote.

Kathy Moore, a senior planner in the county Parks and Land Use Department, told supervisors that state law mandates shoreline protection, and that county officials were only updating an old ordinance.

The new ordinance requires property owners to pay $80 for a permit to remove trees along a lakefront.

It limits to 30% the portion of shoreline they may clear on their property, and it requires them to replace trees if they exceed that limit, including dead or diseased trees in some instances.

Supervisor Mareth Kipp of the Town of Genesee applauded the rules, saying they are intended to protect natural resources that could outlive anyone who owns property today.

"We may think we own it, but we really don't," Kipp said.

Others warned that government regulation could infringe even more on property owners.

Supervisor Rodell Singert of Vernon questioned whether approval of the regulations would invite government restrictions on private property farther than 35 feet from shore.

"We don't need government to tell us what to do," he said. "We don't need a permit to go cut down a dead tree."


From the Nov. 24, 2004, editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: environment; privateproperty; propertyrights; regulations; waukesha; wisconsin
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"'We may think we own it, but we really don't'..."

This, my fellow FReepers and citizens, is the comment of an elected official representing not a hamlet in the former Soviet Union or one of its satellites but rather a community in southeastern Wisconsin in 2004.

And worse, the majority of this Board apparently agreed with such misguided sentiment.

1 posted on 11/24/2004 2:14:23 PM PST by Chummy
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To: Chummy
The new ordinance requires property owners to pay $80 for a permit to remove trees along a lakefront.

Yup... there you go!

2 posted on 11/24/2004 2:16:34 PM PST by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: Chummy

Been like this in ME for a long time.


3 posted on 11/24/2004 2:19:16 PM PST by pipecorp (this space no longer exists)
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To: steveo

Without checking, my hunch is that's going to be $80 per tree, alive or dead, and "dead" will require an additional expenditure to certify the tree is bereft of life, ceases to exist, etc. (with apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus)

Just a hunch.


4 posted on 11/24/2004 2:20:16 PM PST by Chummy (Thank you God for giving to the USA our President George W. Bush!)
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To: Chummy
There's a certain validity to the rule. If someones property is cleared right to the waters edge, they'll tend to fertilize right to the waters edge. The resulting runoff will cause algae blooms.
5 posted on 11/24/2004 2:21:50 PM PST by fso301
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To: Chummy
"We may think we own it, but we really don't," Kipp said.

So I guess we thing we pay property taxes, but we really don't?
6 posted on 11/24/2004 2:24:39 PM PST by microgood
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To: Chummy

On Lake James, NC in Burke County, the current covenents are 125 foot setback from the Lake. When we built here last year it was a 65 foot setback.


7 posted on 11/24/2004 2:26:19 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: fso301

And encourage shoreline erosion. Folks need to understand the reasoning behind some of these ideas. Some are unreasonable, but that is a qualitative term.


8 posted on 11/24/2004 2:28:37 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Chummy

Time for some midnight chainsaw civil disobedience. Cut 'em all down.


9 posted on 11/24/2004 2:30:33 PM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: Chummy

What we taught in colege, is that you don't own it until the judge says that you own it. Then you get to pay taxes.


10 posted on 11/24/2004 2:33:20 PM PST by brooklin
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To: brooklin

colege= college, spellcheck is your friend


11 posted on 11/24/2004 2:34:23 PM PST by brooklin
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To: farmfriend


12 posted on 11/24/2004 2:37:37 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: fso301

Presumed tendency should not trump private property rights.

Folks can generally think for themselves pretty well, given the opportunity.


13 posted on 11/24/2004 2:43:31 PM PST by Chummy (Thank you God for giving to the USA our President George W. Bush!)
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To: Cobra64

A covenant between private property owners is not the same as a setback ordinance enforced by a unit of government. That may explain this difference?


14 posted on 11/24/2004 2:44:29 PM PST by Chummy (Thank you God for giving to the USA our President George W. Bush!)
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To: brooklin

Was that the Colege of Karl Marx?


15 posted on 11/24/2004 2:45:52 PM PST by Chummy (Thank you God for giving to the USA our President George W. Bush!)
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To: Chummy

Legal aspects of surveying.


16 posted on 11/24/2004 3:03:14 PM PST by brooklin
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To: Chummy

Oh, and they prof that taught the class, was no liberal.


17 posted on 11/24/2004 3:04:17 PM PST by brooklin
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To: Chummy

I'm from the government and I am here to help.


18 posted on 11/24/2004 3:05:55 PM PST by rudypoot
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To: Chummy

My Maine town is after us with similar regs.


19 posted on 11/24/2004 3:30:45 PM PST by larryjohnson (USAF(ret))
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To: Chummy; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
"This, to me, is over-regulation," Supervisor Karl Nilson of New Berlin said.

You think that is over regulation? Try moving out west!!!

Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

20 posted on 11/24/2004 7:17:34 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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