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To: rogermellie
we'll proclaim our moral highground with regards to putin and russian oil/gas, when you do the same over the islamic fundamentalists and saudi oil.

Europe depends more upon Arab oil than we do. The Islamic fundies want to take over Europe just as much as they do America. They're succeeding at it rather nicely too, with European cooperation. When the mobs of angry Arabs start demanding YOU submit to Sharia law, what will you do?

You'll warn us that if we don't help the fundies will get their hands on your nuclear weapons. Best you dump them now if you feel you don't need them.

pretty much any attempt by western europe to increase its expeditionary military capability is howled at by the US, you can't have it both ways.

Nonsense. You howl when we threaten to leave.

do you remember lend-lease? we're fighting for our survival and you lot are counting the cash. so don't get too sanctimonious.

Typical, you want it all for free, as if you deserve it somehow. Let's see, Europe foists reparations under Versailles over American objections (after we had bailed them out), which then bankrupts and impoverishes the Germans. The Germans renounce the deal and go for revenge and conquest per the historic European pattern. THEN Europe wants America to GIVE them the weapons that they wouldn't build in advance when America was not legally involved in a European war? To do so would have been an act of war by itself. Thus, you were asking us to pay for the privilege's of protecting you from yourselves.

the ivory tower tends not to be so comfortable when you have to sit on the spike.

That must hurt. I suggest you get medical attention.

23 posted on 11/25/2004 11:07:24 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

i'm not interested in having a conversation with someone who isn't interested in the moral equilancies of their own actions with those of others.

you gob off about how europe ripped off the american people in the cold war, yet you see nothing wrong in doing the same in WW2.

you complain about our reliance on russian oil, yet you take oil and give money to a government that refuses to allow christians to publicly worship, that is ambivilant about attacks on your country and has a human rights record that almost eclipes the talibans'.

i can accept that my country and my region does things in a way that i sometimes disagree with, that i think are morally wrong.

but you don't, to you everything is someone elses fault, america is allways right and everything it does is beyond reproach, its never hypocritical and it never supports states in return for economic or military advantage that you wouldn't allow your children to visit.

i think buying oil and gas from russia is pretty disgusting, likewise with saudi, i'd like it to stop and i do what i can both politically and personally to end that economic relationship.

i know that until we've done that we won't be able sit right on top of the ivory tower.

what do you do to remove the stain of doing business with unpleasant countries from your self-image?


24 posted on 11/25/2004 12:29:28 PM PST by rogermellie
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