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Trey Spiece: Socialism is left's agenda
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 11/26/04 | Trey Spiece

Posted on 11/26/2004 6:47:42 AM PST by SandRat

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Trey Spiece is a sophomore at Catalina Foothills High School.
1 posted on 11/26/2004 6:47:42 AM PST by SandRat
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To: SandRat
Moore's "Utopia" did not describe the Utopia of Thomas Moore. A common misconception.
2 posted on 11/26/2004 6:55:01 AM PST by agere_contra ( "Sheep are eating men". - Thomas Moore)
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To: SandRat

Impressive article for a High School sophomore!


3 posted on 11/26/2004 6:59:33 AM PST by MWS
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To: agere_contra
still pretty good insight for a 10th grader!
understands the liberal agenda better than many adults that I know
4 posted on 11/26/2004 7:00:14 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: SandRat
"At the heart of liberalism is the naive belief that people are basically good.

It's doubtful liberals think wealthy Christian Republican property owners are basically good. Still, this great piece from a high school sophomore shows that liberals might have to stop depending on the public schools to hide basic economic truth.

5 posted on 11/26/2004 7:02:13 AM PST by alrea (Help wanted: Dir. of Homeland Security, State of New Jersey. Must be willing performer, & Democrat.)
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... liberalism is the naive belief that people are basically good

This sums it up quite nicely.

good enough to be somebody's tagline

6 posted on 11/26/2004 7:03:51 AM PST by rllngrk33 (The fourth estate is now the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.)
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Redistribution of wealth away from the producers and the "can-doers" in our Nation toward the weak, apathetic slackers, (and toward the nanny state's coffer for building more self-perpetuating programs), is pure evil at the core.

That's why America will reject socialism. It creates a dependent society and stifles initiative by encouraging the status quo.


7 posted on 11/26/2004 7:03:56 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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To: SandRat

A sophomore? I'm impressed. Perhaps there IS hope!


8 posted on 11/26/2004 7:04:46 AM PST by t2buckeye
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The whole health care issue is a leftist fabrication. How often did anyone even hear about a "health care crisis" before Hillary Clinton barged onto the scene? How did a function that the private sector had been handling comfortably for hundreds of years suddenly become a "crisis" that needed to be "managed" (read: controlled) by government?

The first step of the left is to create a problem. Then they rush in to solve it. Of course, their "solution" does nothing but create more problems, which they must then solve as well.

This kid nailed it perfectly.

9 posted on 11/26/2004 7:09:05 AM PST by IronJack (R)
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That's why America will reject socialism. It creates a dependent society and stifles initiative by encouraging the status quo.

A Communitarian Ethos

The Groton influence of Endicott Peabody showed in a speech Roosevelt gave at the People's Forum in Troy, NY in 1912. There he declared that western Europeans and Americans had achieved victory in the struggle for "the liberty of the individual," and that the new agenda should be a "struggle for the liberty of the community." The wrong ethos for a new age was, "every man does as he sees fit, even with a due regard to law and order." The new order should be, "march on with civilization in a way satisfactory to the well-being of the great majority of us."

In that speech Roosevelt outlined the philosophical base of what would eventually become the New Deal. He also forecast the rhetorical mode by which "community" could loom over individual liberty. "If we call the method regulation, people hold up their hands in horror and say ‘un-American,' or ‘dangerous,'" Roosevelt pointed out. "But if we call the same identical process co-operation, these same old fogeys will cry out ‘well done'.... cooperation is as good a word for the new theory as any other."

If we're going to reject it, we ought to be getting started.

10 posted on 11/26/2004 7:11:08 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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How did a function that the private sector had been handling comfortably for hundreds of years suddenly become a "crisis" that needed to be "managed" (read: controlled) by government?

PR, courtesy of the Robet Wood Johnson Foundation.

11 posted on 11/26/2004 7:13:01 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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But think how many life saving techniques and life saving drugs come out of countries that have socialized health care.

1)There is the abortion pill. oops that is life taking.
2) ?


12 posted on 11/26/2004 7:14:45 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Dan Rather called Saddam "Mister President and President Bush "bush")
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With thinking like his the correct closing would be This young-man nailed it perfectly.
13 posted on 11/26/2004 7:18:06 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Don Simmons

Why America will reject it? You mean vote against medicare, social security? They are both socialist programs.


14 posted on 11/26/2004 7:30:45 AM PST by notigar
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To: tacticalogic

"If we're going to reject it, we ought to be getting started."


In the post-Depression era, the widespread change that Roosevelt's policies brought about was needed. Welfare, his five-year plan, New Deal, the TVA and other governmental "get to work" projects, etc. were much-needed shots in the arm in order for our Nation to recover.

None were actually intended to become permanent, however.

We haven't needed those kinds of sweeping and over-reaching programs in decades. We have risen to our position in the World via individual initiative and the spirit of capitalism - which drives people to make their own improvements in their own lives.

Dependence is a self-perpetuating cycle because it easily quenches thirst for quick comfort.

The hard right course is best for long-term progress: self-reliance.


15 posted on 11/26/2004 7:39:15 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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His age is certainly no argument against him, nor did I intend any offense. In fact, to the degree he sees so much more clearly than, say, a certain cadaverous Massachusetts senator with aspirations for the presidency, his age recommends him highly.


16 posted on 11/26/2004 7:42:08 AM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: notigar

"You mean vote against medicare, social security? They are both socialist programs."


Yes, they are. Again, never intended to become permanent fixtures. Just because we have SOME socialist programs, doesn't mean we're a full-blown socialism. That's what this whole thing is addressing.

Any government will have some inherent programs to address social woes. It states in the Preamble to our Constitution: "....ensure domestic tranquility....promote the GENERAL welfare...".

Nowhere does it state that we'll fill every outstretched hand.

The more hands we quickly and easily fill, the more we'll find being stretched out.


17 posted on 11/26/2004 7:46:17 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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In the post-Depression era, the widespread change that Roosevelt's policies brought about was needed. Welfare, his five-year plan, New Deal, the TVA and other governmental "get to work" projects, etc. were much-needed shots in the arm in order for our Nation to recover.

Conservative historians seem to agree that Roosevelt's New Deal programs did little to alleviate the Depression, and in many cases exacerbated it's effects.

His pursuit of socialism was not driven out of a sense of necessity due to the economic conditions, although he did use them as a justification. The speech I excerpted from was given 17 years before the crash of '29.

18 posted on 11/26/2004 7:48:48 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SandRat

hope for the next generation alert.


19 posted on 11/26/2004 7:50:50 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: tacticalogic

OK - I guess I'm missing the point you're trying to make then.

Are you agreeing with me that socialism is evil - or are you disagreeing with me when I say that America will not accept full-blown socialism?


20 posted on 11/26/2004 7:56:16 AM PST by Don Simmons (Annoy a liberal: Work hard; Prosper; Be Happy.)
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