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A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide
NY Times ^ | November 28, 2004 | STEPHEN KINZER and MONICA DAVEY

Posted on 11/27/2004 12:42:07 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Another Thought

That murderer owns 40 acres of hunting land of his own.


61 posted on 11/27/2004 3:07:51 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: Petruchio

I thought I read that he couldn't get a hunting license in his own state.


62 posted on 11/27/2004 3:09:23 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: neverdem
For all their differences, the native Wisconsin residents and the Asian immigrants from St. Paul share a love of hunting.

; )
63 posted on 11/27/2004 3:10:38 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: neverdem
Elee Vang, who is 19 and was crowned Miss Deaf Minnesota this year, ...

And those one-liners just keep rolling out...

</rimshot>
64 posted on 11/27/2004 3:12:41 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: neverdem
In part as a show of gratitude for their sacrifice in the Vietnam War, the United States has allowed tens of thousands of Hmong people to come here.

Judging by their attitudes as quoted in this piece, I would say that was a big mistake, and should be ended.

65 posted on 11/27/2004 3:13:42 PM PST by montag813
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To: ClearCase_guy; Ladysmith; Brad's Gramma
but the newspaper wants me to think that this Hmong was somehow "a representative of his culture

The media is out of control. The media has over stepped their bounds. The media is interferring in our judicial process.

A prime example is the Scott, Lacy Peterson case.

Divergent accounts

Hesebeck, who was released from a hospital Tuesday after treatment for a shoulder wound, told investigators Willers shot at Vang after Vang fired first but missed. Both accounts agreed that Vang shot the others as more people from the deer camp arrived at the scene after Hesebeck used a walkie-talkie to call for help. Vang said he continued firing as the group scattered, and at one point chased one of the hunters and shot him in the back, only to find the man had no gun, the document states. Authorities have said there was only one gun among the victims. According to investigators, it’s believed Vang fired at least 20 shots. Hesebeck told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis on Tuesday that much of what he has heard in news media reports about the incident is not accurate.

66 posted on 11/27/2004 3:15:40 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: AirForceMom

I did not read that, but I don't doubt it being a posibility. Fact is owning property is not tied to a person's ability to get a hunting license.


67 posted on 11/27/2004 3:16:57 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: neverdem

As I read the title of this article I had a smudge on my glasses and read "Al Hunt Turns Tragic,....." ,But then I thought "No, that happened many years ago, why tell us now?"


68 posted on 11/27/2004 3:17:46 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Petruchio
That murderer owns 40 acres of hunting land of his own. ...oops. bad theory, huh? guess that just means that he saw that someone else had more than he did and he thought that in America that means he can take it. You know, redistribution and all....
69 posted on 11/27/2004 3:18:38 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: AirForceMom

I have been hunting all my life and normally I take a box of ammo (20 rounds) with me. The rifle I use holds 5 rounds and I carry 5 more extra (in the mountain).


70 posted on 11/27/2004 3:19:21 PM PST by depenzz
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To: Another Thought

The Democrat Principle, "What is mine is mine, What is yours is mine if I decide I want it."!


71 posted on 11/27/2004 3:21:56 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: neverdem

Purposely written for a core audience that has racial hatred as its religion. This goof probably never thought of asking if the Hmong had any of that famous "racial animous" that seems so prevalent amongst whites to the writers at the NYTs. Perhaps conservatives ought to really question the morality of the left instead of meekly challenging the New Nazis.


72 posted on 11/27/2004 3:26:05 PM PST by junta
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To: montag813

What do you mean, they are the new revolutionary martyrs according to the NYTs.


73 posted on 11/27/2004 3:29:23 PM PST by junta
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To: Another Thought

NYSlimes culture. Evil is good and all things american is evil.


74 posted on 11/27/2004 3:34:40 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Gritty

And don't forget that culture get's celebrated by the likes of the New York Slimes, et al.


75 posted on 11/27/2004 3:35:35 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: neverdem

If the victims would have been Hmong, it would be a "hate crime", and we would see it trumpeted as an example of intolerance for months on end, and all throughout the trial.

But since the victims were not part of a protected minority, it's just an innocent misunderstanding between cultures which can be quietly sorted out with a plea bargain or two.


76 posted on 11/27/2004 3:36:02 PM PST by Imal (America looks shorter on TV.)
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To: neverdem
It wouldn't surprise me or the media wouldn't take such great pains to cover it up.

One reporter I saw (can't remember which network) was baiting a Hmong community leader about the "racial slur" explanation. To his credit, the leader replied "Six men have been killed and the one who did it is alive. Nothing they might have said can justify such an act! We do not consider him one of us."

77 posted on 11/27/2004 3:36:11 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: neverdem

One element ignored in this story: in SEA, the Hmong worked very closely with U.S. Special Forces and they were superb jungle fighters, feared by the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese. Obviously, the accused gunman is too young to have served in Vietnam, but I'm sure he was schooled by Hmong veterans of the Vietnam War. Otherwise, how could a single shooter get the drop on six heavily-armed hunters that (presumably) were decent shots themselves?


78 posted on 11/27/2004 3:38:01 PM PST by Spook86 (,)
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To: Spook86

He was a sharpshooter in the National Guard.


79 posted on 11/27/2004 3:39:23 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: Spook86

Actually, my understanding is that only one was armed. The rest of the victims were unarmed.


80 posted on 11/27/2004 3:54:47 PM PST by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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