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How Much Time Is Left? (The Parallel Views Of Christians & Seculars)
LeaderU Online ^ | Nov. 24, 2004 | Dr. John Stoll, Ph.D

Posted on 11/29/2004 6:48:09 AM PST by Lindykim

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Although Stoll's commentary piece is now over 10 years old and the 5 year time frame has obviously come and gone, the underlying message, which is that mankind senses a forthcoming apocalyptic event, still remains unchanged. Apocalyptic, it seems to me is an appropriate term in consideration of the increasing growth of dementedly hate-charged paranoia, delusion, and pathology being exhibited by the Left, not just here in America, but throughout various world arenas. Leftists are maddened not just by hatred, but by fear of the unknown.
1 posted on 11/29/2004 6:48:09 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; little jeremiah

ping

This is too interesting for you to miss it.


2 posted on 11/29/2004 6:49:27 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: weenie

Ping for later read.


3 posted on 11/29/2004 7:07:35 AM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Lindykim

> Since the Old Testament stated over 330 prophecies concerning His first coming, all of which were perfectly fulfilled, we can with confidence trust what He had to say relative to His coming again. Christ has established His credibility with mankind.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

175 false Biblical prophesies.


4 posted on 11/29/2004 7:48:51 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
Ummm ... I'm no expert but a very quick perusal of your link shows that the arguments cited by the "false prophecies" are very easy to refute. The claims are all superficial, reveal little unified understanding of the Bible, and were clearly written not by a "skeptic," which implies an open mind, but one dedicated to "disprove" Christian faith.

You don't need to reply ... I'm not trying to start a heated dialogue here.

5 posted on 11/29/2004 8:57:52 AM PST by tom h
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To: orionblamblam

Calling oneself a skeptic does not connote an ability to reason logically, to analyze, or deduce rationally, most especially when said 'skeptic' is not motivated by an honest seeking of truth but instead by a need to destroy.
I venture to say that your 'skeptic' is a 'student' of Marcuse's "critical theory", which when stripped of its high-sounding facade, stands revealed as nothing more than advice to small-minded people on how to commit mindless, destructive criticism.








6 posted on 11/29/2004 9:00:58 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: tom h

I see that you and I are of a mind concerning the so-called 'skeptic'. Imo, it was nothing but purile pablum produced for those who enjoy such stuff.


7 posted on 11/29/2004 9:04:39 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim

> it was nothing but purile pablum produced for those who enjoy such stuff

What, the Biblical prohesies? I'd agree. "Tyre is gonna be wiped out Real Soon Now!" Then sometime later, a major character goes to Tyre, a city supposed to have been wiped out.

Eh...


8 posted on 11/29/2004 9:07:44 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam

It's a common trait of those who don't think for themselves to 'steal' the words of those who do think for themselves.


9 posted on 11/29/2004 9:15:00 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim

> It's a common trait of those who don't think for themselves to 'steal' the words of those who do think for themselves.

Non sequitur.

And I notice you didn't even come close to addressing the point...


10 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:41 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam; Lindykim

My friend, if the comments make you hostile, then reply to me, not the lady, as I am the one who started this exchange.


11 posted on 11/29/2004 10:21:02 AM PST by tom h
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> if the comments make you hostile

Another non sequitur. Why do you see disagreement as hostility?


12 posted on 11/29/2004 10:39:33 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
"Another non sequitur. Why do you see disagreement as hostility?"

Tart responses that don't respect a poster's words and are more aggressive than ordinary debate are hostile. Also, you are using non sequitur far too frequently and incorrectly. You are trying to label responders to your email as dumb enough to not make logical arguments. In cyberspace this is arrogance and the equivalent of talking so loudly as to drown them out.

If you want to prolong this discussion, perhaps you will look more deeply into the URL you cite and prove to both the lady and I why why we are wrong. And, use your thesaurus to seek out another word that will make your retorts sound more thoughtful.

13 posted on 11/29/2004 11:03:08 AM PST by tom h
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To: tom h

> perhaps you will look more deeply into the URL you cite and prove to both the lady and I why why we are wrong.

Ahem: already done. Was Tyre destroyed as the Bible said it would be, or not?


14 posted on 11/29/2004 11:21:39 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
No, you haven't looked any more deeply into the matter. Do you know youself? I told you early on that I am not an expert. But rather than going to number 75 on the website, let's start with #1:

Does Adam die? Yes, he does -- spiritually. The fact of spiritual death is documented throughout scripture. Adam's sin results in original sin for all mankind, and we are all "dead" spiritually until we accept Christ and achieve salvation. No Bible errancy here.

Was Cain a fugitive and vagabond, in spite of his having a family? Yes he was, from his family and from God. This one was easy.

Did God fail to give Abraham and his descendants the promised land? No -- there's lots of time left in history. One is awfully arrogant to say that national borders will always stay the same.

As for the destruction of Tyre -- well, a quick perusal of online resources shows that it was conquered and destroyed by both Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander:

"Tyre fell to the Neo-Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 572 BC. On this occasion the city withstood a 13 year siege before it fell; in 332 BC there was another remarkable siege by Alexander the Great who finally succeeded by building a causeway to the island from the mainland"

So now, my friend, you have shown that you don't know what you're talking about. The city of Tyre does not exist anymore. Sounds like it is desolate.

Ahem ...

15 posted on 11/29/2004 12:08:52 PM PST by tom h
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To: tom h; orionblamblam

Tell us orion, are you an evolutionist? If so {or even if not}, relate to us if you will, your 'creation story'.


16 posted on 11/29/2004 12:20:50 PM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim; orionblamblam

Lindy, I answered Orion in post #15. I think he is one of those disgruntled techies who thinks logic rules the universe. I am about ready to cease the discussion with him and I advise you to do likewise.

God bless --


17 posted on 11/29/2004 12:29:23 PM PST by tom h
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To: tom h

> Does Adam die? Yes, he does

Did Adam ever exist? Evidence, please.

> Was Cain a fugitive and vagabond

Did Cain ever exist? Evidence, please.

> As for the destruction of Tyre -- well, a quick perusal of online resources shows that it was conquered and destroyed by both Nebuchadnezzar and Alexander:

"Tyre fell to the Neo-Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 572 BC. On this occasion the city withstood a 13 year siege before it fell; in 332 BC there was another remarkable siege by Alexander the Great who finally succeeded by building a causeway to the island from the mainland"


I'll note for the record that your quote in way way says that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Tyre.

> The city of Tyre does not exist anymore. Sounds like it is desolate.

*REALLY*.
"About 83 km south of Beirut, Tyre is the fourth largest city of Lebanon." http://tyros.leb.net/tyre/


18 posted on 11/29/2004 12:53:06 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Lindykim

> Tell us orion, are you an evolutionist?

I can see the result of cause and effect, yes.

> relate to us if you will, your 'creation story'.

One night in the spring of 1969, my mom and dad... well, that's actually as much information as I have on that. I do admit to taking it on faith that I didn't Poof into existence as the Creationists woudl ahve it.


19 posted on 11/29/2004 12:55:15 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: tom h

> I think he is one of those disgruntled techies who thinks logic rules the universe.

"Gosh, how horrid... someone who actually believes that the universe can be understood! GASP! Hide the children! They might *learn* something!!!!!!"


20 posted on 11/29/2004 12:57:02 PM PST by orionblamblam
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