Skip to comments.Prodigy, 12, Compared To Mozart
Posted on 11/29/2004 8:27:37 AM PST by MaineRepublic
(CBS) There is a composer studying at New Yorks renowned Juilliard School who some say is the greatest talent to come along in 200 years. Hes written five full-length symphonies, and hes only 12 years old.
His name is Jay Greenberg, although he likes the nickname "Bluejay" because, he says, blue jays are small and make a lot of noise.
Greenberg says music just fills his head and he has to write it down to get it out. Whats going on in Bluejays head? Correspondent Scott Pelley spoke with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay wrote a piece, "The Storm," in just a few hours. It was commissioned by the New Haven Symphony in Connecticut.
When the last note sailed into the night, Jay navigated an unfamiliar stage, and then took a bow.
"We are talking about a prodigy of the level of the greatest prodigies in history when it comes to composition," says Sam Zyman, a composer. "I am talking about the likes of Mozart, and Mendelssohn, and Saint-Sans."
Zyman teaches music theory to Jay at the Juilliard School in New York City, where hes been teaching for 18 years.
"This is an absolute fact. This is objective. This is not a subjective opinion," says Zyman. "Jay could be sitting here, and he could be composing right now. He could finish a piano sonata before our eyes in probably 25 minutes. And it would be a great piece."
How is it possible? Jay told Pelley he doesnt know where the music comes from, but it comes fully written -- playing like an orchestra in his head.
"It's as if the unconscious mind is giving orders at the speed of light," says Jay. "You know, I mean, so I just hear it as if it were a smooth performance of a work that is already written, when it isnt." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the kids are downloading music these days. But Jay, with his composing program, is downloading it from his head.
The program records his notes and plays them back - that's when the computer is up and running. Jay composes so rapidly that he often crashes his computer.
"It's as if hes looking at a picture of the score, and hes just taking it from the picture, basically," says Zyman.
Jays parents are as surprised as anyone. Neither is a professional musician. His father, Robert, is a linguist, and a scholar in Slavic language who lost his sight at 36 to retinitis pigmentosa. His mother, Orna, is an Israeli-born painter.
"I think, around 2, when he started writing, and actually drawing instruments, we knew that he was fascinated with it," says Orna. "He managed to draw a cello and ask for a cello, and wrote the world cello. And I was surprised, because neither of us has anything to so with string instruments. And I didnt expect him to know what it [a cello] was."
But Jay knew he wanted a cello, so his mother brought him to a music store where he was shown a miniature cello. "And he just sat there. He ...started playing on it," recalls Orna. "And I was like, 'How do you know how to do this?'"
By 3, Jay was still drawing cellos, but he had turned them into notes on a scale. He was beginning to compose, and his parents watched the notes come faster and faster. He was writing any time, anywhere. By elementary school, his teachers had no idea how to handle a boy whose hero wasnt Batman, but Beethoven.
"He hears music in his head all the time, and hell start composing and he doesnt even realize it probably, that hes doing it," says Robert. "But the teachers would get angry, and they would call us in for emergency meetings with seven people sitting there trying to figure out how theyre going accommodate our son."
Jay has been told his hearing is many times more sensitive than an average persons. The sounds of the city need to be shut out manually. But Jay cant turn off the music in his head. In fact, he told us he often hears more than one new composition at a time.
"Multiple channels is what its been termed," says Jay. "That my brain is able to control two or three different musics at the same time - along with the channel of everyday life."
"This child told me, he said, 'Im gonna be dead if I am not composing. I have to compose. This is all I want to do," says Orna. "And when a child that young tells you where their vision is, or where theyre going, you dont have a choice."
By the age of 10, Jay was going to Juilliard, among the worlds top conservatories of music, on a full scholarship. At age 11, he was studying music theory with third year college students. Jay also takes high school courses at another school courses his parents say he will finish when hes 14.
Elizabeth Wolff is a concert pianist who works with Jay on his piano technique. Jay writes things he can't even play, and he says he wants to perfect his piano playing, even though he doesn't need the piano, or any instrument, to compose.
What happens when he first hears a tune?
"At first, I just listen to it, and then I start humming it. And then while walking, and I like walking a lot when I am inspired," says Jay. "Because I walk to the beat of the music. For example, if the beat is (piano), I start rocking. ...And I often start conducting as well."
Jays not a usual 12-year-old, and he knows it. Catching onto baseball isnt as natural as playing piano. Even though Jays a genius, hes still a kid.
What happens when Jay gets bored? "He gets restless, and then he starts improvising. Last week, he took the Beethoven sonata were working right now, and decided that everything would be kind of interesting upside down and backwards," says Wolff. "So he took the volume and literally did just that. He can do it for you right now. And I couldnt even follow it. But he actually took the clefs and inverted them. The treble became bass, bass became treble, and did it backwards."
How does Jay rank among other child prodigies?
"To be a prodigy composer is far rarer," says Zyman. "You have to conquer these issues. How do you notate this rhythm? Whats the range of the oboe? Can this be played on the piano? How do you compose for the harp? There are hundreds of thousands of bits of information that you need to master to be able to write a piece of music."
Talented composers might write five or six symphonies in a lifetime. But Jay has written five at the age of 12.
When the music enters Jay's head, he has a lot of confidence about what he puts down on paper. Does he ever revise one of his compositions? "No, I don't really ever do that," says Jay. "It just usually comes right the first time."
Sam Adler was a child prodigy himself. Today, hes an accomplished composer and professor of Jays at Juilliard. He agrees Jay can be great, but only if he is constantly questioning his gift.
"Let's take a great genius in the musical world, someone like Beethoven. When you look at a Beethoven score, its horrendous. He didnt have an eraser. So, he had to cross it out," says Adler. "And it looks as if, you know, he was never satisfied. And that is something that comes with maturity. And I think thats going to happen to Jay."
But is it fair to say the potential is there? "Absolutely," says Adler. "Without doubt."
Exactly right! Nice story, great kid, but I don't intend to ever again watch 60 Minutes. It's a matter of principle and CBS' is non-existent.
I caught a chunk of this after watching the Patriots win, as usual. That kid is amazing!I have a lot of admiration for anybody with musical talent, but this kids abilities are beyond simple talent!
I would love to compare his music with Mozart at the same age....why am I not a believer?
I caught it last night while surfing.
The kid is truly amazing, the kind of musical prodigy you see once in a generation. It will be interesting to watch him advance in his skills and career.
Most remarkable when he played his compositions in reverse (upside down and backwards). Even his concert piano teacher was watching the kid in absolute awe.
Its nice to see good news once in a while.
Cute story, but frankly, his music is CRAP. Typical post-modernist classical noise. Sure, "he's only 12," but the point of the story is that he's some genius. Not so. Don't believe me? Here's a 10-minute radio show with his "9/11 tribute" composition, being performed by the Pittsburgh Symphony.
Wow. He certainly has a God-given gift.
What did they sound like?
Wonderful and fascinating story, thank you for posting.
There's a difference between being the next Mozart and the next Saint-Saens.
An amazing story, nonetheless.
As they always do when a student dares to excel.
"Cute story, but frankly, his music is CRAP."
So what have you composed lately?
How does it compare and how many people have ever described you as a prodigy?
"why am I not a believer?"
I am a musician with a BA in music. You should believe...I saw the 60 minutes spot, and this boy is amazingly gifted. Perhaps he will give us more than just his music - musicologists have long pondered what made Mozart tick!
Very cool story bump.
In a world filled with so much crap and pain, this is refreshing and inspiring.
I only heard the end of one, and it sounded pretty complicated. The thing is, he composes the score for every instrument in a full orchestra. When he was only 10!
Fascinating story. Thanks for posting it, MR.
I didnt think the kid was so impressive on the show. Mozart was actually good. His music is lame. Also he never edits his pieces, and another "genius: showed how relentlessly Beethoven marked up his sheets.
I enjoyed the piece and have no doubt the kid is a genius but
I ain't buying the part about the kid at 2 years old drawing an
image of a cello complete with bow and he had never seen one
or even had any idea what a cello was.
Hmmmm... real audio. Does anybody have a non "Real Audio" format file? I would like to hear it.
I don't think it's crap, but it does lack emotive breadth from what little I've heard.
But he's 12 years old, and you couldn't expect much more. Give him 5 years.
Mozart's famous works were composed well after he was 12 years old. Mozart was a prodigy too, but the works we hear today were not the ones he composed prior to his teen years.
Mozart and Bach have a heavenly simplicity about them even at their most complex.
I'll reserve judgment on the merit of the music til we hear some of it -- that said, it's delightful to hear of a kid being so inspired and working so hard, and his parents supporting him. Hope things work out for him and he has a long and happy life in music.
God bless Jay.
I listened and I believe you are right. There is no depth. Of course it could be that he is channelling music from a simpler time.
Very true! But it was nice Sunday to sing the Saint-Saens "Ave Verum" instead of Mozart's setting . . . just for a change. (Watch the alto section struggle with a chromatic scale!)
Yeah, you're right. I listened, what a waste of talent.
The kid should be writing rap songs.
The question becomes: is he limited to music in the older classical styles, or will he be able to compose in a modern style.
And if he composes in a modern style, will anyone want to listen?
Is it even possible to write modern music that is listenable, without being accused of simply copying the style of an old master?
That's nothing. I once told a dirty joke in front of a classroom of kids when I was only 9! :)
It's absolute crap. We don't need to wait 5 years. Mozart wrote better stuff than this at age 4. this kid has a brain anomoly which makes him able to compose, transpose and deal with music radically in his own head. that's nice, but too bad he has no actual talent to go along with this. Brain Wilson was similarly gifted, but at least he had talent.
Maybe he will get good enough to be in a Vibe Awards brawl.
CBS is Freddo to me.
Did you see the segment where he took the Beethoven sonata he's been studying with his piano teacher (a concert pianist) and turned it upside down & played it? He mentally transposed the clefs, and played the music upside down & backwards! Didn't sound bad, either! The teacher was properly amazed.
I cannot get any sound from this link.
It's more polite to say that you don't respond to his music. I, on the other hand, was deeply impressed, both by the lovely and elegant fugue of his they played on the piano (written when he was eight), and the large symphonic piece they performed.
I didn't appreciate much classical music (especially modern) until I had a good music theory course in college. That was a revelation to me. Now I don't just listen to the Beatles or metalcore, or just Beethoven or Bach. I also listen to Ravel, Stravinsky, Scriabin, Varese, John Adams and Alan Hovhaness.
I am eager to hear what he composes when he grows up. They said he is not the kind of prodigy who appears once a generation. He's the kind of prodigy who hasn't appeared in 200 years.
Never watch that damned show, either..........but I DID watch this piece. The kid is simply amazing; just amazing. No other word for it.
Being a prodigy is helpful, but it does not mean that his compositions will be good. While Mozart was a prodigy, most great composers were not so gifted. They used hard work, re-writes, alcohol, prayer, and research to give the the world their beautiful gifts. Think Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Bach, Handel, Scubert, etc. etc.
Oh, OK, we understand now. Prodigy jealousy. Can't have the next young phenom stealing the old prodigy's spotlight can we?
Really, you would think a prodigy would be above this.
""Cute story, but frankly, his music is CRAP." Yeah? So what have you composed lately? How does it compare and how many people have ever described you as a prodigy? ;o) actually, composition is not my thing, but violin performance is. Many people described me as a prodigy when I performed the Bruch concerto with the Jacksonville Symphony at the age of 11. Many people also described similar praises when I won the State of Florida advanced violin competition at the age of 13 (beating out everyone up to the age of 18). IMO, the last great classical composer was Samuel Barber."
So....what you done since?
Wow, thanks for posting this!
Non Sequitur. One does not, for example, have to be an expert bagpiper in order to discern whether the pipes are being played well or badly ...
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