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Daily Kommersant reports Russian troops in Ukraine
Kyiv Post (Ukraine) ^ | Nov 29, 2004 | PAUL MIAZGA

Posted on 11/30/2004 1:45:26 AM PST by AdmSmith

The Russian daily Kommersant published a report on Nov. 29 stating that up to 800 Russian special forces, or spetsnaz, began arriving in Kyiv early on the morning of Nov. 23 and changed into Ukrainian uniforms at a Ukrainian military base just outside the capital.

The report says that at 1:32 a.m. on Nov. 23 a Russian Antonov An-26 (serial number RA-26410) arrived at a Ukrainian military base near Irpen, located 10 km from the city center. The base is adjacent to a compound operated by the BARS government security agency, which has as many as 3,000 service personnel protecting the Presidential Administration in central Kyiv.

According to the Kommersant report, at 3:17 a.m. on Nov. 23, a second plane arrived, a Ukrainian-registered heavy lift Ilyushin Il-76. The occupants of both the Antonov and the Ilyushin boarded buses waiting on the tarmac and were transported to the base at Irpen. Kommersant also reported that up to 800 such spetsnaz forces of the Vityaz regiment have arrived in Ukraine from Russia on Russian military transport aircraft, many also having landed at Kyiv's Boryspil International Airport from Nov. 24-26.

The location of the troops is currently unknown.

The deputy head of the Boryspil Airport security service, Lt. Colonel Lyashenko, refused to give clearance for the first of the planes to arrive from Russia on Nov. 23 and immediately tendered his resignation. The press service of the airport security service would not give the reasons for Lyashenko's resignation, but did confirm that Lyashenko had resigned his post.

The staff at another regional airport nearby also refused to give landing permission to further planes arriving on Nov. 24, but they were overruled and the planes landed, said an anonymous source within the State Security Service (SBU) on Nov. 25.

The source stated that each plane, after landing, was then loaded with sensitive documents from the Presidential Administration, the SBU and other departments before taking off again, bound for Moscow.

Officials at Boryspil airport and with the Interior Ministry have so far declined to comment on the matter. Russian Ambassador to Ukraine, Viktor Chernomyrdin, on Nov. 26 called the reports of Russian forces in Ukraine as "completely absurd and an open provocation.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; russiantroops; sovietunion; ukraine
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The source stated that each plane, after landing, was then loaded with sensitive documents from the Presidential Administration, the SBU and other departments before taking off again, bound for Moscow.

We have seen this before in Iraq...
1 posted on 11/30/2004 1:45:27 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; Boot Hill; jeffers; nuconvert; Snapple

The rats took the documents when they left.


2 posted on 11/30/2004 1:47:41 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Funny that they can just change uniforms. Kinda makes a lie of the colapse of the Russian Empire.


3 posted on 11/30/2004 2:08:18 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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So, if they are taking the secret documents, does that mean they expect to lose control of Ukraine soon?

This would be a good sign, no?

On the other hand, the hundreds of Russian spetsnaz dressed in Ukraine uniform, would be a bad sign, no?

In a way, Osama did us a favor, as did the Japanese at Pearl Harbor. He reawakened us to the dangers of tyranny that are always with us.

The leftists have a point when they say that "values" were the key to their recent election losses here in the States. Even though the War on Terror and related military, war and security issues scored higher in the exit polls, still the greatest danger to the leftists is the reawakening of understanding that freedom is founded on, and totally dependent on, individual responsibility and morality, which must derive from faith in a higher moral order.

As noted in another post, Right and wrong: Joseph Farah on what ails America, what needs to be done, a few minutes ago, a moral order based on the Golden Rule is essential to liberty. The subversion of all the institutions of society, whether it be to some variant of Marxism or Socialism, or to Radical Islam, so that they turn from supporting that essential moral order, to instead destroying it, is the way to tyranny, and the death of freedom.

In so many places at once, it seems that freedom hangs precariously in the balance.

Were times always this tense, or is it that I am just beginning to notice?

I wish the Ukrainians well.

4 posted on 11/30/2004 2:13:27 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (Welcome home, Vietnam Vets.)
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So, if they are taking the secret documents, does that mean they expect to lose control of Ukraine soon?

Yes.
5 posted on 11/30/2004 2:44:15 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
Wow, 800 Russian Spetznaz dressed in Ukrainian uniforms! Plane loads of sensitive documents spirited out to Moscow! If this is all true, then this would have more than a faint odor of Stalin about it!

I also might be tempted to quip that Colonel Lyashenko sure had a pair hanging, but that's probably not true any longer!

--Boot Hill

6 posted on 11/30/2004 3:36:08 AM PST by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: AdmSmith

Hopefully this means the Russians are going to abandon their stooges, grab the evidence and get out of Dodge.

I also read Spetznaz were in a country of Western Ukraine--Ivano-Frankovsk. Of course, it is hard to know what is rumor and what is true.


7 posted on 11/30/2004 3:41:21 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Correct previous post to read "county" of Western Ukrain, not country.


8 posted on 11/30/2004 3:43:02 AM PST by Snapple
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To: AdmSmith

This just shows how stupid Putin's KGB methods are.

The next move will be to shut down their gas and freeze them into submission.


9 posted on 11/30/2004 3:46:18 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

... and make FBS detonate a few bombs and blame the opposition.


10 posted on 11/30/2004 3:55:51 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

FBS => FSB


11 posted on 11/30/2004 3:56:18 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Snapple
a malfunctioning Dita Beard machine ?

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10725481

Fire breaks out in FSB headquarters

MOSCOW. Nov 29 (Interfax-Moscow) - A small fire was reported in the Russian Federal Security Service headquarters on Moscow's Lubyanka Square on Monday afternoon, a source in the State Fire-Fighting Service's branch for Moscow told Interfax.

Sixteen fire-fighting units were involved in extinguishing the fire on the eighth story of the building, the source said.

The fire was brought under control at 4:10 p.m. and put out a few minutes later.

The source blamed the incident on an office equipment malfunction.

There has been no word on injuries.
12 posted on 11/30/2004 4:03:14 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Snapple

There is no such thing as "county" of Western Ukrain".


13 posted on 11/30/2004 5:47:28 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; liberallyconservative; DAVEY CROCKETT

First thought was look at all the documents they are taking back to Russia.

Second is the fact that the Russians flew in 800 troops and had them change into Ukrainian uniforms.

It isn't nice to have to deal with Russia


14 posted on 11/30/2004 6:14:59 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: AdmSmith
Merely Putin trying to secretly rebuild the Soviet Union...but this time it seems he got busted. If you haven't been paying attention, he rigged his own election and has installed all his FSB(successor to the KGB) buddies in his administration. And more recently, he changed the law so that Russian Governors and other formerly elected officials are now appointed by him. He also rigged a referendum in Belarus in October (see para 4) which made Alexander Lukashenko, who already has agreed to reunite his country with Russia, the equivalent of President for life. Some prophecy sites have touted Putin as the AntiChrist who will return Russia to Hitler-like control and also regain control over the former Soviet countries, which, it is evident he has been trying to do. I don't know if I would go *that* far (in calling him the AC), but I do believe he is an evil man that deserves to be watched carefully.
15 posted on 11/30/2004 7:25:30 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: spetznaz

Obligatory spetsnaz pong


16 posted on 11/30/2004 10:55:55 AM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: nuconvert

Yep. You know we S'naz are everywhere! LOL.


17 posted on 11/30/2004 11:06:18 AM PST by spetznaz
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To: blackminorcapullets; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; LibertyRocks; devolve; Polak z Polski; Cutterjohnmhb; ..

one more ping... (o:


18 posted on 11/30/2004 2:35:00 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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19 posted on 11/30/2004 4:38:12 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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20 posted on 11/30/2004 7:11:12 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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