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Islam Post 9/11: Islamophobia in Austin
News8 Austin ^ | November 30, 2004 | Jitin Hingorani

Posted on 11/30/2004 6:32:03 AM PST by cweese

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To: Wonder Warthog

Agreed. Anything-phobia is a nice convenient term that liberals use to attain a subtle sense of superiority over anyone that disagrees with their collective mind-set.

Most people disagree with a behavior, not because they fear it, but because they're horrified, disgusted, nauseated, etc.

But Liberals absolutely love to imply that you're somehow afraid of their agenda with the tag-term "something-phobia".

As another poster commented, until I start seeing supposedly "peaceful" Muslims publicly and angrily denouncing the barbaric beheadings and other 3rd-century behaviors of a bunch of sexually-repressed 10-year-olds in adult bodies, I'm going to continue to assess Islam as the Religion of War.


21 posted on 11/30/2004 6:54:30 AM PST by kromike
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To: Wonder Warthog

My letter to News8 :

Dear News8,

I've read parts 1 and 2 of your 4-part series, Islamophobia in Austin. I'm
not really surprised at the tone of the 2 parts you've published. That is,
I expected this to be a totally sympathetic piece on Islam and the Muslims
living in Austin.

I sincerely hope that you include the following subjects in the remaining 2
parts :

* The frequency that the Austin area Muslim population publicly condemns the
acts of the terrorists worldwide (kidnappings, beheadings, torture), if this
condemnation exists amongst our fellow Muslims here. If they are not
condemning these acts, why not? What do they have to say about it?

* The general feeling of our area Muslim population towards Israel and the
peace process between the terrorist orgs. such as Hamas, the PLO, and
Hezzbollah (sp?) and the Israelis. What do they have to say about the PLO
charter, which calls for the destruction of the Jewish race?

* Perhaps some translations of the Friday prayers and the calls by Imams
around the world (I'd venture to guess that this point is also relevant in
Austin, as it certainly is all over the US) to slaughter ALL infidels, the
Jews especially, and the promotion of violence by said Imams to achieve
these goals?

* The origins of Islam, and how it was founded to be a violent religion, not
the religion of peace as so many news outlets portray it to be.

* Some of the tenets of Islam which suggest domestic violence. Strict
interpretation of the Koran leads to Taliban style conditions. How strictly
do our area Muslims interpret the Koran.

I'd sincerely appreciate more balance in the remainder of this series and a
reminder that we're at war with Muslims worldwide. That is a fact, no
matter how much you try to portray it differently.

One other thing I'd like to discuss is the 4 ways Islamophobia has
manifested itself in Austin, as described by Jim Harrington. The racial
profiling at airports is b.s. It's just the opposite. Surveillence of
Muslim students is a fact. Most of the hijackers of the airplans on 9/11
were students studying in the US. The Muslims were the ones who committed
911, not ANYONE from ANY OTHER religion! I am a bit chagrined that you
didn't make any attempt to refute Mr. Harrington's points. I doubt the
validity of 3 of these, and have my doubts about the problem for Muslims to
find jobs here just because of their religion. If that were true, I'd
expect to see many lawsuits filed on their behalf for discrimination. Since
you don't discuss any such legal actions, I can assume that the problem is
made up, along with the other 3, by Mr. Harrington.


22 posted on 11/30/2004 6:55:33 AM PST by cweese
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To: MarineDad
Personally, I loathe, despise, and generally hate everything 'slammic, simply put. I can't stand the thought of having to share the same air as the b@st@rds. The sooner they're gone, the better.

That's a good start describing my own feelings towards the SMs.
Like you, I see no "phobia" among those feelings.

23 posted on 11/30/2004 6:56:27 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: cweese
All muslims are a potential danger to non-muslims!

"When you clash with the unbelieving infidels in battle, smite their necks until uou overpower them, killing and wounding many of them....Thus you are commanded by Allah to continue carrying out jihad against the unbelieving infidels, until they submit to Islam." (Qur'an 47:4)

Muslims, reading their (un)holy book written by a perverted tramp. all believe the same thing. If they aren't out killing us they're considered by their imams to be bad muslims, and if they're not out killing and maiming they're contributing to those that do.

24 posted on 11/30/2004 7:00:33 AM PST by JesseHousman
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To: dinasour

>>>Khataw and her friends began spreading the word about Islam to clarify misconceptions.<<<

Isn't that what Dutch filmaker/murder victim Theo Van Gogh was doing?


25 posted on 11/30/2004 7:05:21 AM PST by ishabibble ((Toronto is a suburb of Somolia))
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To: RaceBannon; Cacique

ping


26 posted on 11/30/2004 7:09:40 AM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: kromike
continue to assess Islam as the Religion of War.

Doesn't the Quran say at various points in its text that they should kill all "infidels" (everyone not a Muslim)?

Islam is not now and never has been a religion of peace. Those who would point to the Spanish Inquisition and try to assert the same of Catholics miss a key point, in that 15th Century Europe's progrom was based not on the Bible, but man's religious fervor and superstition. Nothing to support that is to be found in the Bible. But the basis for Islam's campaign of terror is readily found in the Quran, even if exaggerated to an extreme by radical Muslim clerics and used to hype an ignorant people into their extremist actions.

27 posted on 11/30/2004 7:13:00 AM PST by Marauder ("You gotta score to points on the board." - Joe Theismann)
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To: Wonder Warthog

"It is easy to fly into a passion--anybody can do that--but to be angry with the right person and at the right time and with the right object and in the right way--that is not easy, and it is not everyone who can do it."
-- Aristotle


28 posted on 11/30/2004 7:16:50 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: penelopesire

Good point.


29 posted on 11/30/2004 7:17:14 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: ishabibble
>>>Khataw and her friends began spreading the word about Islam to clarify misconceptions.<<<

I wonder if there's any particular reason this article didn't mention that Ms. Khataw isn't simply a housewife turned activist but sits on the board of Austin's Muslim Support Services organization, a paid position?

No big deal but it is revealing.

30 posted on 11/30/2004 7:18:29 AM PST by skeeter
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To: cweese
Prophet of Doom : Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words

CLICK ON ABOVE IMAGE


The CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE REMAKING OF WORLD ORDER

CLICK ON ABOVE IMAGE




31 posted on 11/30/2004 7:31:24 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: freakboy

FYI

Encycloaedia of the Orient
hijab
http://lexicorient.com/cgi-bin/eo-direct-frame.pl?http://lexicorient.com/e.o/hijab.htm

Head scarf used by many Muslim women, generally intended to cover the hair. The hijab has in recent decades more and more come to be associated with Islamism, hence it is partly prohibited in some Muslim countries, like Tunisia.
Hijab comes in numerous fashions, several of these have backgrounds with specific countries, regions or ethnic groups. It is assumed that these variations of the hijab are continuations of pre-Islamic customs, but adjusted to the regulations of Islamic theology.
The head scarf is not uniquely Muslim, it is also found in Judeo-Christian traditions. It has been, and is, worn by adherents, with nuns as the most distinct example, and it is mentioned in Biblican texts, like in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians 11:5, where women are commanded to cover their heads when practicing their religion, or be punished.
It is assumed that sura 33:59 in the Koran orders women to wear hijab, but this passage is open for alternative interpretations. A slightly clearer command on using the hijab comes in the hadiths, but even this cannot be concluded to imply a general obligation for a Muslim woman to cover her head, as it really only refers to the wives of Muhammad.



Koran sura 33: Confederates
59 O prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters, and the women of the believers, to wrap their veils close round them. It is better that way, they can be recognized but not annoyed. God is forgiving and merciful.

Koran sura 24: Light

31 And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts, and display not their ornaments, except those which are outside; and let them pull their kerchiefs over their bosoms and not display their ornaments save to their husbands and fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or what their right hands possess, or their male attendants who are incapable, or to children who do not note women’s nakedness; and that they beat not with their feet that their hidden ornaments may be known. But all turn repentant to God, O believers! May you prosper.

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 395

2 And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed [probably the following].

Koran sura 33: Confederates

53 (...) And when ye ask them for an article, ask them from behind a curtain; that is purer for your hearts and for theirs. It is not right for you to annoy the prophet of God, nor to wed his wives after him ever; verily, that is with God a serious thing.

Koran sura 42: Counsel

50 It is not for any mortal that God should speak to him, except by inspiration, or from behind a veil


From the Koran 33:59, it may appear that a woman not in danger of being annoyed, does not have to veil herself. Moreover, the Arabic word translated into the English "veil" is actually not "hijab", but "jalãbîb", a plural form of "jilbab". A jilbab would normally be translated into "woman's dress", a dress that covers most of , or the entire body, and not necessarily the head. Hence it is possible that this aya does not requisite women to cover their hair or even their faces, but to wear the body garment in such a way that they cover and hide erotically laden parts of a women's body, like her breasts.
In the Koran 24:31, often the preferred aya for proving the need to wear the hijab, the word in question is here is "zîna", and can be translated with "ornaments" or "jewels" or even "clothes". This is by some Muslim commentators believed to be understood as hair, but seen from the context it appears a woman's nipples is a more correct translation. The hair theory seems farfetched.
While hijab today is commonly used for the head scarf alone, hijab is fundamentally any partition which separates two things. In the Koran 33:53 "hijab" is used, but not denoting a head scarf, but a curtain behind which Muhammad could hide his wives from other Muslims. Another use of "hijab" is found in Koran 42:50, where it is told that the hijab separates man from God.



(note: Encycloaedia of the Orient, I've found it to be a pretty good source of info.)


32 posted on 11/30/2004 7:33:46 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: cweese
Khataw and her friends began spreading the word about Islam to clarify misconceptions.

The saying "A rose by any other name..." doesn't fit islam. "You can't polish a t*rd" does.

33 posted on 11/30/2004 7:35:48 AM PST by Semper Vigilantis (Freedom is like a credit card. If you don't make the payments it will be taken away.)
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To: Semper Vigilantis

The saying "A rose by any other name..." doesn't fit islam. "You can't polish a t*rd" does.

LMAO! Great line!


34 posted on 11/30/2004 7:41:47 AM PST by cweese
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To: Semper Vigilantis

Why do you think we are in Iraq?


35 posted on 11/30/2004 8:08:51 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: skeeter


Perhaps this "housewife turned activist" can "clarify misconceptions" that I have about young Muslim girls as young as 4 yrs. old being held down and sexually mutilated.


Austin's Muslim Support Services? Translation: The tape recorded blare of the mullah's call to prayer over giant bullhorns will soon be heard throughout the Austin area.


36 posted on 11/30/2004 8:18:07 AM PST by ishabibble ((Toronto is a suburb of Somolia))
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To: Valin
Why do you think we are in Iraq?

To make America a safer place by exterminating the cockroaches in their nests, not in our homeland.
To create an example of how people can live if allowed to live free - much like West Berlin acted as a shining example in the darkness of East Germany. IOW, to create an island of stability in a cesspool.

37 posted on 11/30/2004 8:36:04 AM PST by Semper Vigilantis (Freedom is like a credit card. If you don't make the payments it will be taken away.)
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To: cweese; Prime Choice
Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11.

(pc: can you post your graphic?)

38 posted on 11/30/2004 8:50:12 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: bassmaner
By your request...


39 posted on 11/30/2004 9:24:08 AM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: Semper Vigilantis

And if Iraqis remain Islamic?


40 posted on 11/30/2004 9:27:49 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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