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To: tjwmason

No one in this thread ever claimed that the phrase "Communion of Saints" was the original copyright of the Roman Church. Nor was it ever stated that the Roman Church was the only Church. The Creed references a Catholic church, but that only means a universal Christian church. What I stated was that the Council of Trent added the phrase into the revision of the original Roman Creed and that they did this in response to Anglican and Lutheran reformations.


102 posted on 12/02/2004 2:50:24 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
No one in this thread ever claimed that the phrase "Communion of Saints" was the original copyright of the Roman Church. Nor was it ever stated that the Roman Church was the only Church. The Creed references a Catholic church, but that only means a universal Christian church. What I stated was that the Council of Trent added the phrase into the revision of the original Roman Creed and that they did this in response to Anglican and Lutheran reformations.

I would certainly ascribe original authorship of the line 'Communion of the Saints' to the Roman Catholic Church, though would date it many centuries before Trent (at which point there was no separation, the Orthodox still being united, and the protestant schism not haveing happenned).

You have again made the assertion that the Council of Trent added the phrase to the Creed. To satisfy my own doubts (which were few in this matter) I have scanned through the Decrees of the Council, I have searched the text and looked at every incidence of the word 'saint'; this addition did not take place at Trent. The full text of the Apostles Creed greatly preceeds the Council of Trent. If you disagree, please provide actual evidence (if such exist) rather than merely restating your error.

The Lutherans and Anglicans did not change the Creed. The phrase was already in the Creed by the time that the separated from Rome. They merely translated 'Credo in Deum' into their vernacular languages.
107 posted on 12/03/2004 3:02:08 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: Natural Law
What I stated was that the Council of Trent added the phrase into the revision of the original Roman Creed and that they did this in response to Anglican and Lutheran reformations.

What proof do you offer for this bizarre claim?

SD

109 posted on 12/03/2004 5:46:09 AM PST by SoothingDave
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