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Web site shows health insurance mandate winning, but officials see likely error
AP ^ | 11/30/4

Posted on 11/30/2004 8:12:58 PM PST by SmithL

SACRAMENTO -- A state Web site Tuesday reported a come-from-behind victory for the Nov. 2 ballot measure that requires large and midsize employers to help pay for employee health insurance, but officials said the results were probably in error.

Caren Daniels-Meade, a spokeswoman for the secretary of state's office, said one of the counties reporting late vote totals probably reversed its results. "It's been known to happen," she said.

Proposition 72 was trailing 51 percent to 49 percent on election night, but the secretary of state's Web site late Tuesday listed the final results as 50.5 percent for the measure and 49.5 percent against.

Counties had until Tuesday to count absentee and provisional ballots and turn in the results to state election officials, Daniels-Meade said. "We got a whole bunch of updates today."

She said state election officials would change the results on the Web site to reflect their last previous vote totals on the proposition and then do a thorough check Wednesday to verify if there had been an error.

Anthony Wright, executive director of Health Access, a coalition of labor and consumer organizations that supported Proposition 72, said he had been watching the vote totals change on the Web site virtually every day since the election.

The margin, he said, was running against the measure by about 150,000 votes until the last report that was posted Tuesday afternoon -- indicating a swing of about 300,000 votes.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; healthcare; prop72; propositions; voterfraud
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Simple error? Or did they think we weren't paying attention?
1 posted on 11/30/2004 8:12:59 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Is this a sneaker....... or a squeaker?


2 posted on 11/30/2004 8:20:33 PM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: SmithL; NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog Gone; SierraWasp; calcowgirl
This is a disastrous measure to California. I almost hope it passes (I voted against it), so that the voters of this state get to see what will happen to their jobs, particularly low-income workers.
3 posted on 11/30/2004 8:59:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Results as of November 28, 2004

http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm

Prop 71 Health Care Coverage
5,540,212 49.2 Yes
5,697,674 50.8 No

Just another nail in the coffin, if this number flips to a "win"..

It was much more important to defeat the Indian gaming props and pass the stem cell research prop tho, huh?


4 posted on 11/30/2004 9:20:39 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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It was much more important to defeat the Indian gaming props and pass the stem cell research prop tho, huh?

If you are talking about the priorities of our fearless fixskill conservative grubbinator...

...the answer is indeed obvious.

Arnold's invisibility on this ballot proposition warrants another line item on my infamous list.

5 posted on 11/30/2004 9:25:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
John Burton would leap on a lit sack of dogpoop face-first to get this business killer prop passed too.

CA: Burton hands out advice to Schwarzenegger, GOP on last day ^

6 posted on 11/30/2004 9:42:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge
Schwarzenrenegger is nothing but a phony blowhard!!!

"Arnold's invisibility on this ballot proposition warrants another line item on my infamous list."

I think you and an armey of Freepers oughta take your "infamous list" and march into the Crapitol and nail it to the Governor's door, like Martin Luther did with his 95 thesis on the cathedral door!

If somma these lame, so-called "conservatives" come around asking "why we did it?" We can all say in unison... Here we stand! We can do no other!! We must protest this utter nonsense!!!

7 posted on 11/30/2004 9:44:32 PM PST by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan was an exceptional "celebrity!" Jesse Ventura & Arnold Schwarzenrenegger are NOT!!!)
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Oh! By the way!! Did I tell ya'all that I just adore protest and protestants???


8 posted on 11/30/2004 9:48:30 PM PST by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan was an exceptional "celebrity!" Jesse Ventura & Arnold Schwarzenrenegger are NOT!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie
Here we stand! We can do no other!! We must protest this utter nonsense!!!

I'm still thinking about putting together an politically active group. I'll probably make as much progress on it as my legislative tracking news letter though.

9 posted on 11/30/2004 11:01:36 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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"The fact that we are even talking about this now shows how close this race was and now the voters of California are truly divided on this issue."

No, the fact that they're talking about this is that the final result switched by what appeared to be a clerical error (I rally hope it was an error and not fraud.) Some people wanted to vote against the health care requirement of Prop 72, but they were confused because it was a referendum of a law the legislature passed.

I agree it was a waste of money/effort for Schwarzenegger to run ads for 1A and Stem Cell borrowing (71) and against 68 and 70 when those had wide margins. I'm glad he finally helped defeat the 3-Strikes weakening (66), but he should have also helped defeat 72 and all the bonds.

10 posted on 12/01/2004 2:00:43 AM PST by heleny
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This is the first I've heard of this proposition. It requires all employers to provide health insurance?


11 posted on 12/01/2004 5:53:29 AM PST by Dog Gone
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It requires all employers to provide health insurance?

It moves the floor down to 50 employees.

12 posted on 12/01/2004 6:00:58 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

That will have an interesting effect on California's agriculture industry, among other things.


13 posted on 12/01/2004 6:17:38 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
It requires all employers to provide health insurance?

That, or they would have to pay into a state-run insurance fund.

Employers with fewer than 20 employees would be exempt. Tom McClintock suggested that with the passage of Prop 72, *presto* all of a sudden many small businesses would have 19 employees, leaving the 20th employee not only without insurance but also without a job.

14 posted on 12/01/2004 6:27:29 AM PST by heleny
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I'm not sure how the rules, if passed, would affect contracted work (possibly pushing many permanent employees into performing work as a contractor/non-employee) or if small companies would be allowed to divide themselves into several small ones, each with fewer employees than the threshold.


15 posted on 12/01/2004 6:30:19 AM PST by heleny
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To: heleny
I'm sure that's true. And it's also true that some employers who have the ability to relocate out of state will consider it.

In any event, this is bound to have an effect on many employees working at the minimum wage, if this proposition has indeed passed.

16 posted on 12/01/2004 6:44:02 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
That will have an interesting effect on California's agriculture industry, among other things.

You mean the rats and Arnold would use a fuzzy sounding ballot proposition to put farmers out of business to turn it over to developers?

Say it isn't so!

Um, I guess you can't.

17 posted on 12/01/2004 6:51:32 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Dog Gone
If this law goes through, you can bet that farmers won't hire their labor but instead set up contractors who hire (n-1) employees.
18 posted on 12/01/2004 7:05:55 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Yep, thereby creating more economic inefficiency without accomplishing a darn thing.

Did the Cal legislature put this on the ballot, or was it a citizen initiative?

19 posted on 12/01/2004 7:34:06 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; Carry_Okie; heleny; farmfriend; calcowgirl; GVgirl; NormsRevenge
Citizen/Business Referendum against a law Gray Davis signed! It was aimed primarily at Wally Mart, but like an Automatic Shotgun, It'll mow down a whole lot of economic effort in CA!!!

The Commonistas and EnvironMentalistas just laugh, cause they know that business and industry just can't keep up with all their leftist legislation and they'll succeed in their goal of "Bring it all down, man!"

They gotta kill jobs that are such growth attractors because growth keeps them from restoring the state to Pre-Columbian times where savages ground their nuts on the rocks!!!

20 posted on 12/01/2004 7:51:50 AM PST by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan was an exceptional "celebrity!" Jesse Ventura & Arnold Schwarzenrenegger are NOT!!!)
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