Warnings Before 1995 Oklahoma Bombing

Guardian ^ | Thursday June 20, 2002 7:50 AM

[Fiddlstix]

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[ken21]

there's almost a news blackout concerning this.

with the exception of a few, for example, ernie brown's america at night, there's no connect-the-dots between the 1st trade center bombing, okc, flight 800, + 9.11.

as a soviet emigre to this country once remarked to me in the early 90's in astonishment: " your television is controlled"! he was under the illusion that our television is free.

[Calpernia]

URL for post 18:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/specialsegments/050304_ss_saddamspy.html

[ManHunter]

There is so much more to this story than has ever been discussed in the MSM. Read Ted Gunderson's (retired SAC of the FBI Las Vegas Division) accounts of the OKC bombing and the ensuing investigation, BG Ben Partin's (former Director of the Air Force Armament Technology Center and "father" of "smart" weapons) testimony to Congress, THEN read Jayna Davis's book. ...and the USG would have us believe that Vince Foster got to Fort Marcy Park before his car!

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[WorkingClassFilth]

Hmmmm...now the Left (Guardian) is reporting a possible link between the OC bombing and the Islamofascists? Maybe we're about to see somethings start to move...?

[kcvl]

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[Calpernia]

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/12/lt.01.html

CNN LIVE TODAY
Aired March 12, 2004 - 11:00 ET

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KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Susan Lindauer is due back in court today. The former journalist and congressional aide insists that she is not an Iraqi spy.

SUSAN LINDAUER, ARRESTED FOR SPYING: I'm an anti-war activist, and I'm innocent!

ARENA: An indictment says Lindauer had repeated contacts with Iraqi intelligence officers in New York and Baghdad between 1999 and 2002 and conspired with two sons of Iraq's former liaison with U.N. weapons inspectors.

Lindauer says she was trying to get inspectors back into Iraq.

LINDAUER: I'm very proud, and I will very proudly stand by my achievements.

ARENA: In January 2003, two months before the U.S. invaded Iraq, prosecutors say she took a letter to the home of a U.S. official, saying she had access to Saddam Hussein's regime. Sources tell CNN that official was White House chief of staff Andrew Card, Lindauer's second cousin. The White House says Card never met with Lindauer and called the incident very sad.

LINDAUER: I'm an anti-war activist.

ARENA: Sources say Card alerted authorities; then the FBI set up a sting operation.

In June, prosecutors say, Lindauer met with an undercover FBI agent posing as an agent for Libyan intelligence, looking to support resistance groups in post-war Iraq. And near her home in Takoma Park, they say she followed instructions to leave unspecified documents at dead drop locations.

Neighbors were surprised.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was a Takoma Park-type person, pretty unique around here. We're a nuclear-free zone, as you know. So a very laid back, liberal sort of person.

ARENA: Prosecutors say Iraq paid Lindauer $10,000 for expenses and services. She faces up to 25 years in prison if she's convicted on all charges.

LINDAUER: This is what democracy is all about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, she's not going to make any comments.

ARENA: Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KAGAN: Kobe Bryant's accuser will have to break her silence. Her sexual past is about to be questioned. That story is coming up next.

And then, the incredible story out of Utah, a mother charged with murder after her baby is still born. Was her refusal to listen to doctors to blame?

And later, if it were a boxing match, you wouldn't even be into round one yet, but the gloves are already coming off. Kerry and Bush go at it when CNN LIVE TODAY returns.

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[Velveeta]

Yes, thank...I read it.

What a tangled web...

[billygoatgruff]

It does seem that T McVey was executed rather quickly. Maybe they thought he'd spill the beans and those beans would be too damaging to Clinton to let spill over.

Clinton knew.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

The Americans who persisted despite ridicule and threats of violence were able to finally get Congress to reveal the truth about Ruby Ridge and Waco. Little bits of info leaked out over the years also but, like today, it only raised the volume of ridicule as some looked away screaming, "Nooooooooooo!"

"In general, the record is very clear that the Clinton administration increased counterterrorism funding and focus more than any other prior administration based on the emerging threats," [former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart] added.

Indeed. And googling proves it. Domestic terrorists were a big concern to the Clinton Administration. White supremacists, anti-abortion activists, militias, religious cults, talk radio(?) -- you name it.

Anything on the right was carefully watched. Though attacks on our embassies and troops abroad did raise concern about foreign terrorism nevertheless the Clinton DOJ worked closely with the ADL and SPLC to write the FBI's year 2000 "Project Megiddo" plan to stop homegrown terrorists.

[theFIRMbss]

>No credible evidence my butt

"...Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal centre in Los Angeles said that at a meeting in Lebanon this year [2001], US neo-Nazis were represented alongside Islamic militants. 'There's a great solidarity with the point of view of the bin Ladens of the world,' said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which monitors the far right. 'These people wouldn't let their daughters near an Arab, but they are certainly making common cause on an ideological level. They see the same enemy: American culture and multiculturalism.'

"Neo-Nazi websites, including the largest umbrella organisation, the National Alliance, show support for al-Qaeda. Billy Roper, the alliance's membership coordinator posted a message within hours of the 11 September attacks, reading: 'Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill Jews is all right by me. I wish our members had half as much testicular fortitude.' Another group, Aryan Action, praised the attacks of 11 September, saying: 'Either you're fighting with the Jews against al-Qaeda or you support al-Qaeda fighting against the Jews.' Others outwardly support the anthrax mailing. ..."

[UK Observer/Guardian Sunday October 28, 2001, "Anthrax attacks' 'work of neo-Nazis,' Ed Vulliamy in New York"]

[Arrowhead1952]

Yeah. bin Laden did it, even though Terry Nichols admitted to his part in the bombings this week.

Report: Nichols Admits Okla. Bombing Role (still shocking years later)[Nov 28, 2004]

Terry Nichols Confessed [November 28, 2004 ]

[Calpernia]

RENA: In January 2003, two months before the U.S. invaded Iraq, prosecutors say she took a letter to the home of a U.S. official, saying she had access to Saddam Hussein's regime. Sources tell CNN that official was White House chief of staff Andrew Card, Lindauer's second cousin. The White House says Card never met with Lindauer and called the incident very sad.

LINDAUER: I'm an anti-war activist.

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http://www.time.com/time/classroom/glencoe/ourworld2002/unit_7_4.html

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Nobody was arguing with that, but not everyone was applauding Thursday when Attorney General Ashcroft announced that he was rewriting the rules that govern the way FBI agents launch and conduct probes of suspected terrorists here at home. The new rules, Ashcroft said, would help the feds prevent terrorist strikes rather than deal with them after they happen. But lawmakers of both parties complained that Ashcroft had cast off a 26-year-old policy without giving them any notice. Civil libertarians cried that the FBI was trampling on privacy in the name of security. And even George W. Bush's chief of staff, Andrew Card, was irked that the White House had been left out of the loop.

The new rules were presented as dramatic reforms to protect us, and yet for many people the truly shocking discovery was that the FBI had not been doing these things all along: surfing the Web, sifting through commercial databases, lurking in chat rooms, monitoring public activities. Under the old rules, Ashcroft said, FBI agents were proscribed from doing what any local cop or reporter or concerned citizen would do. An Ashcroft staff member recalls the tortured investigation of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheik convicted after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. "Here was a guy you knew had ties to a terrorist organization," he says. "You knew he was meeting with his followers in the mosque. The agents couldn't go in. They had to stop at the door because no crime had been committed yet. You look at that and say, 'You've gotta be kidding me.'"

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[american spirit]

If anything, there was a conspiracy of silence over the OKC bombing by people who were forewarned including a federal judge and a federal agency that was housed in the bldg. The judge admitted in an interview that he had warnings about the date for a possible attack and did not come to work that day. Guess it didn't matter to him and others in the know that there was a daycare center in that bldg. as well as hundreds of innoncent folks. Besides, Gen Partain (a proven expert in military style explosives) proved without a doubt that the anfo bomb could never have taken out the support columns in the Murrah bldg.

[SlowBoat407]

It does seem that T McVey was executed rather quickly. Maybe they thought he'd spill the beans and those beans would be too damaging to Clinton to let spill over.

Clinton knew.

Any way to tie this in with the Marc Rich pardon/Oil for food involvement?

[american spirit]

Good stuff.....do you have any info on the informant (Carol Howe) who infiltrated the Elohim City group and had suspicions about Andreas Strassmeir, a German national whose father was a high offical in Germanys intelligence circles?

[Triple]

Nichols met with al qaeda (abu sayef) members in the Phillipines before the bombing.

[tophat9000]

Much is always made of "warnings" before attacks. The OKC Bombing, the first WTC Attack, even 9-11. "Why didn't someone do something?"

The point is not "warnings" before attacks that were earlier it’s what was done after or not done after that left the door open to the next.

The first WTC Attack in 93 the, two U.S. embassies in Africa bombed in 98 the Cole in 99 all done by Islamic terrorists the question being did we leave the door open to 9-11.

Now add in The OKC Bombing where Islamic terrorists linked to this and buried or dismissed for political reason by Clinton

Because bottom line the OKC Bombing done by domestic right winger extremist saved Clinton politically he used to slap down his critic on the right

An OKC Bombing linked Islamic terrorists would have hurt Clinton politically because there would he would be pressed to step up and do something by the middle/right while his base on the left would be dragging there feet

This is also why there still open question on TWA800 in 96 and even Atlanta Olympics bombing (some anomalies and a politically motive to bury Islamic terrorist’s links if there)

One off anomalies cases are one thing, multiple anomalies cases with politically motive to bury or dismissed Islamic terrorist’s links is another …. It’s hard to connect the dots leading to 911 2001 if that was someone with politically motive was whitening out/whitewashing some of the dots to save there ass during the 90’s

[GOP_1900AD]

Nichols is still alive and has not told us everything he knows. What *we* know about him is that he spent time in areas of the Philippines where Abu Sayyaf also hold sway. We also know that the architect of "Bojinka" was in the Philippines concurrently with Nichols. Well, what are we waiting for? Get Nichols to talk. Perhaps, he needs to be flown to an undisclosed location overseas, where he could be made to talk.