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Who Invented "X"mas?

Posted on 12/03/2004 7:54:47 AM PST by rpellegrini

Who invented "X"mas? Why not C'mas, instead? My guess is that it was some twisted lefty from the heyday of communism in America. Someone who thought it important to X out Christ, not simply abbreviate.


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1 posted on 12/03/2004 7:54:48 AM PST by rpellegrini
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To: rpellegrini
Who invented "X"mas?

Seeing that it is not a term that I allow to be used in my home, I don't really care who came up with it.

2 posted on 12/03/2004 7:56:03 AM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: rpellegrini

Actually, from what I recall reading years ago, X actually meant Christ. Anyone else hear that?


3 posted on 12/03/2004 7:56:22 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: rpellegrini

Um, today is the heyday of Communism in America, not the fifties or sixties.


4 posted on 12/03/2004 7:56:25 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: rpellegrini

Some say the X has religious meaning but I prefer CHRISTMAS!


5 posted on 12/03/2004 7:56:31 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This space is available to advertise your service or product.)
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To: rpellegrini

Umm...X is an ancient greek symbol for Christ, as ten people will have probably told you by the time I finish typing this.


6 posted on 12/03/2004 7:56:36 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: rpellegrini

Xmas

SYLLABICATION: X·mas
PRONUNCIATION: krsms, ksms
NOUN: Christmas.
ETYMOLOGY: From X, the Greek letter chi, first letter of Greek Khrstos, Christ. See Christ.
USAGE NOTE: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of , “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.


7 posted on 12/03/2004 7:56:56 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: rpellegrini

I think you are wrong. "X" is a completely appropriate way to shorten the word and it has nothing to do with taking Christ out of Christmas.


8 posted on 12/03/2004 7:57:09 AM PST by TNdandelion
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To: rpellegrini

X here actually refers to the Greek letter "chi", which is a shorthand way of writing Christ (Christos). It also looks like a Cross, another reference to Christianity.


9 posted on 12/03/2004 7:57:25 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: rpellegrini

X is the symbol of Christ in Greek.


10 posted on 12/03/2004 7:57:44 AM PST by eastforker (Ask me about a free satellite TV system!)
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To: frog_jerk_2004

From the American Heritage Dictionary


11 posted on 12/03/2004 7:57:47 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: rpellegrini

I did.

Regards,

Mr. X


12 posted on 12/03/2004 7:57:55 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Eepsy

For once I bothered to read the thread before being one of the ten.


13 posted on 12/03/2004 7:57:56 AM PST by nina0113
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To: rpellegrini

In medical terminology X can mean 'all the rest' such as in Hx means history on your medical chart.


14 posted on 12/03/2004 7:58:00 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: rpellegrini

Someone named Malcolm?


15 posted on 12/03/2004 7:58:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind (All we are say-y-y-y-ing is give Beast a chance!)
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To: Eepsy
Umm...X is an ancient greek symbol for Christ, as ten people will have probably told you by the time I finish typing this.

Thanks for saving me the typing time.

16 posted on 12/03/2004 7:58:14 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (It's beginning to look a lot like RamaHanuKwanzMas)
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To: rpellegrini
My guess is that it was some twisted lefty from the heyday of communism

Not even close, but very amusing.

17 posted on 12/03/2004 7:58:43 AM PST by mountaineer (Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. Just kidding, you can hate me.)
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To: rpellegrini
Vanity?

No, you are wrong. It *is* an abbreviation but from the Greek letter X or chi; the English equivalent is 'C'. 'C' for Christ. No commie plot.
18 posted on 12/03/2004 7:58:56 AM PST by Lakeside
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To: Lakeside

Gosh, I was slow!


19 posted on 12/03/2004 7:59:51 AM PST by Lakeside
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To: rpellegrini

Here's the real explanation. The use of the letter "X" to abbreviate the name of Christ is very old. Nothing sinister in the abbreviation.

Xmas

SYLLABICATION: X·mas
PRONUNCIATION: krsms, ksms
NOUN: Christmas.
ETYMOLOGY: From X, the Greek letter chi, first letter of Greek Khrstos, Christ. See Christ.
USAGE NOTE: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of , “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.


20 posted on 12/03/2004 7:59:57 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: rpellegrini
I have heard different stories. One that it is from Chi, another that it stands for the cross. Probably some truth in both. Another that some religious people don't like to use the written or spoken word for the Lord.

As a matter of fact, I too suspect many use it in order to take Christ out of Christmas.

21 posted on 12/03/2004 7:59:57 AM PST by yarddog
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To: rpellegrini

Google is your friend.


22 posted on 12/03/2004 7:59:59 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: rpellegrini

I wonder if it has anything to do with a prohibition on fully spelling out G_d as some people do. I'd like to know any biblical references pertaining to that - gotta have a "controlling legal authority", don't cha know? If there is a basis for not spelling out G_d, then one could easily make the leap that "X" would also be appropriate for His Son. Personally, I spell them out.


23 posted on 12/03/2004 8:00:25 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: x

You can't hide forever, you know.


24 posted on 12/03/2004 8:00:37 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: rpellegrini

Google brought up this, from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

Xmas

SYLLABICATION: X·mas
PRONUNCIATION: krsms, ksms
NOUN: Christmas.
ETYMOLOGY: From X, the Greek letter chi, first letter of Greek Khrstos, Christ.
USAGE NOTE: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of Christ. In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.


25 posted on 12/03/2004 8:00:47 AM PST by Portmeirion (God bless President Bush!)
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To: Marysecretary

Marysecretary wrote:


Actually, from what I recall reading years ago, X actually meant Christ. Anyone else hear that?






I heard that, too.

From the Greek letter "chi" which is "X' shaped, both for the sound and because the "X" reminded people of the Cross.


26 posted on 12/03/2004 8:01:06 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: rpellegrini
The railroad?
27 posted on 12/03/2004 8:01:51 AM PST by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: Marysecretary

Part of the Chi-roh (Greek symbol, I think)

which stand for Christ.


28 posted on 12/03/2004 8:01:57 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: rpellegrini
Who invented "X"mas? Why not C'mas, instead? My guess is that it was some twisted lefty from the heyday of communism in America. Someone who thought it important to X out Christ, not simply abbreviate.

Who invented the vanity post by someone so lazy they would rather claim a commie conspiracy than look it up in a dictionary? In this case, the American Heritage Dictionary:
ETYMOLOGY: From X, the Greek letter chi, first letter of Greek Khrstos, Christ. See Christ.
USAGE NOTE: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of , “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.
29 posted on 12/03/2004 8:02:10 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: rpellegrini

Now, don't you feel foolish? The answer was found by everyone here, with a simple Google search on "xmas." Googling is a great way to dispel myths.


30 posted on 12/03/2004 8:02:20 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: rpellegrini

I think you have too much time on your hands.


31 posted on 12/03/2004 8:02:29 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: rpellegrini

One more citation from the American Heritage Dictionary please!


32 posted on 12/03/2004 8:02:40 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: cicero's_son

LMAO


33 posted on 12/03/2004 8:02:47 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: randog

LOL! That's news X-Files fans!


34 posted on 12/03/2004 8:04:50 AM PST by Wiz
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To: frog_jerk_2004

One thing we've all learned is that the American Heritage Dictionary does a helluva job of getting listed high on Google!


35 posted on 12/03/2004 8:04:57 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: rpellegrini

Let's not forget the "P" as in XP which is the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ.


36 posted on 12/03/2004 8:05:58 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: drjimmy

Maybe they GoogleBomb frequently?


37 posted on 12/03/2004 8:06:01 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: nina0113
For once I bothered to read the thread before being one of the ten.

Me too! Congratulations to ourselves is in order.

38 posted on 12/03/2004 8:06:23 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: rpellegrini

Oh please. With the manifold blasphemies that occur day-to-day in the US, most of them being committed by so-called believers in Christ, you pick on this pseudo-insult?

Get a grip. First of all, the term "Christmas" is not a scriptural one. Second, it is unlikely that our Savior was not born on December 25th, the traditional date for celebrating Saturnalia, the advent of Saturn or Tammuz in ancient Babylonian mythological lore. And finally, I think that the Almighty is above fussing about a silly abbreviation, especially a legitimate one.

C'mon dood. Learn to concentrate on weightier aspects of Christianity, like love for fellow believers, sharing your faith with others, giving to the poor. Those are things we should definitely not abbreviate.


39 posted on 12/03/2004 8:06:40 AM PST by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: randog

Mr. X?

You're Mr. Christ?


40 posted on 12/03/2004 8:07:13 AM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: tiamat

Thanks, tiamat.


41 posted on 12/03/2004 8:07:24 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: rpellegrini
"I heard it on the X."

-ZZTop

42 posted on 12/03/2004 8:07:35 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: rpellegrini; Dataman; rhema; Caleb1411; EggsAckley; Southflanknorthpawsis
Who invented writing "Xmas" instead of CHRISTmas"? I think everyone here knows my opinion.

And yes, I basically am serious.

And without reading the posts, I am SURE that someone drags out the fact that the English capital X looks like the first letter in the Greek word Christos. This is indisputable .

Equally indisputable is the fact that, if 1 in 1000 who actually write XMas is even dimly aware of that fact... then I'm Bill Clinton.

Dan
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43 posted on 12/03/2004 8:07:36 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Salvation

Its two greek letters together, Chi and Rho (X and R) that to this day translate into Christ in Latin and Greek rite Catholic churches. Why the X (Chi) was ever substituted alone, to represent the entire name of Christ by itself, I don't know.

To us its Christ and Christmas.

Hope everyone is having a blessed Advent season.


44 posted on 12/03/2004 8:08:35 AM PST by OriginalChristian (Christians are being PERSECUTED. It has only just begun...)
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To: Marysecretary

LOL!

Me and a couple dozen other people!


45 posted on 12/03/2004 8:09:03 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: rpellegrini

It was coined by two rival railroad barons in the 19th century who made their rail lines literally cross in an "X" pattern rather than concede the other's right of way. This led to many, many accidents and an escalation of bad will. Finally, on Christmas Day, 1894, there was a big wreck that kiiled both of their families, who were coming home for the holidays. This tragedy finally enlightened them to the foolhardiness of their feud so they got out there with pickaxes that very afternoon and jointedly destroyed the hideous crossing. It is this holiday change of heart that we commemorate with the abbreviation "Xmas."

(not true - but I thought I'd make up a false history. The explanation of the Greek letter signifying Christ is, of course, the real deal.)


46 posted on 12/03/2004 8:09:21 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Noachian

I run Windows XP (Christ Professional)


47 posted on 12/03/2004 8:09:39 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: rpellegrini
The nun in third grade, Sr. Elizabeth, grade was the first person I ever heard rail against "XMass". That was 1948 and she was pissed.

She was also the first that explained Islam, Muslims and conversion by the sword. She pointed out (in 1948) that that sword on the Saudi flag represents the sword of Muhammad and a reminder of the continuing expansion of Islam by whatever means necessary.

I was eight and remember those lectures vividly, but I was never in Cambodia.
48 posted on 12/03/2004 8:09:45 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: Aquinasfan

Woo hoo! Three cheers for us!

See what comes of taking Christmas out of the public schools? That's where I learned the "chi" thing, way back in the Sixties. I was a shepherd in the Christmas pageant too. Fairfax County, VA, late 60's.


49 posted on 12/03/2004 8:10:33 AM PST by nina0113
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To: rpellegrini

I will not shop in any store that uses this term in its windows or advertising. And if it's a small business, I'll drop in to tell the owner so.


50 posted on 12/03/2004 8:11:13 AM PST by Shqipo (What's Christmas about? Charlie Brown, Linus, and Snoopy have it down.)
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