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Advocates of Marx's Theories on Socialism Testify Before Senate
The New York Times Archives [NO LINK] | September 21, 1883

Posted on 12/04/2004 11:11:41 AM PST by nwrep

Sep 21, 1883: Karl Marx's theories on Socialism were expounded at length yesterday before the Senate Committee on Labor and Education by Dr. Adolph Douai of the Volks-Zeitung.

Mr. Erastus D. Goodwin, a farmer from Falls Village, Conn. appeared as an advocate of "free trade", or at least a change in the tariff which would permit the importation of raw materials free of duty. Such a change would, in his opinion, be of great benefit to both the agricultural and industrial laborer.

At today's hearing, Mr. F.B. Thurber will be heard in advocacy of anti-monopoly principles.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: flashback; freetrade; labor; marx; socialism; texas; trade
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To: elbucko

Yes, it's interesting that although the early AFL did start off Marxist, under Gompers it tried to divorce its advocacy of better working conditions, a shorter work day, and higher wages from the overall socialist agenda that characterized the European labor movement and the earliest stages of the US labor movement.

Regarding your other post on the possibility of Douai's group influencing LBJ's socialism, I was wondering about that as well. I forget where but I read something within the past year about the early socialist movement in Texas, I think while crossreferencing Robert Caro's LBJ biography. I'm looking at Caro's first volume now and I see he has an early chapter linking LBJ's father Samuel Johnson to a Texas populist movement called "The People's Party" from the 1890s, which apparently got upstaged by William Jennings Bryan's broader movement but continued to influence the branch of the Texas Democratic Party the Johnsons belonged to.


21 posted on 12/04/2004 12:21:27 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

So this guy ran a German newspaper in Texas, eh? Don't you hate how those damn German immigrants won't assimilate--they even refuse to learn English! Instead, there are German shops, and German newspapers--you walk on the streets of the Upper East Side nowadays, and it's like being back in Berlin! On top of that, they're importing foreign ideas of Socialism onto our soil AND taking jobs from Americans. It's time to take control of immigration.


22 posted on 12/04/2004 12:25:26 PM PST by edg2103 (America for Americans)
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To: what's up
Were they also in Fredericksburg, Texas?

Looks like you're onto something there--I found this by Googling on "Vierziger Texas Fredericksburg":

Handbook of Texas Online

KUECHLER, JACOB (1823-1893). Jacob Kuechler, surveyor, Union officer, and commissioner of the General Land Office,qv was born in Schoellenbach, Hesse-Darmstadt, on February 18, 1823, son of Albrecht Kuechler, an engineering and forestry official. Jacob Kuechler graduated from the University of Giessen with a degree in civil engineering and forestry and traveled to Texas in 1847 with the Darmstadt colony (also called the Vierziger, the Forty), a group of young graduates of the universities of Giessen and Heidelberg and the Gewerbeschule of Darmstadt. The Vierziger had contracted with the Adelsvereinqv to begin a colony in the Fisher-Miller land grantqv north of the Llano River and founded the utopian socialist community Bettinaqv late in 1847. The new settlement had disappeared by the next summer, and Kuechler, listed as a forester, settled at Fredericksburg. He became a citizen on October 10, 1853, and married Marie Petri, sister of the pioneer artist Richard Petri,qv in May 1856. He thereafter farmed with Hermann Lungkwitz,qv pioneer landscape artist who lived in the Live Oak community on the Pedernales River near Fredericksburg. Kuechler also became a surveyor and served Gillespie County in this capacity until the outbreak of the Civil War.qv He pioneered tree-ring study at Fredericksburg during the drought of the late 1850s. He compared dry and wet years from rings of post oaks going back to 1727 to find evidence of the agricultural conditions in the Hill Country.qv His study was published as "Das Klima von Texas" in Gustav Schleicher'sqv Texas Staats-Zeitung (San Antonio) in 1859 and in the Texas Almanacqv two years later.

With the secessionqv of Texas in 1861, Kuechler was commissioned by Sam Houstonqv as captain to enroll state militia troops in Gillespie County. He signed up only German Unionists in his frontier company, and it was dismissed by Governor Francis R. Lubbock.qv Kuechler then served as a guide for German Unionists attempting to flee to Mexico and survived the battle of the Nueces.qv He remained in exile in Mexico during the rest of the war and worked as a surveyor in the northern Mexican states until the end of 1867. Upon his return to Texas he was appointed deputy collector of customs at San Antonio. He was elected a delegate to the state Constitutional Convention of 1868-69qv and became a leading spokesman for Germansqv in the Republican partyqv during Reconstruction.qv Kuechler was elected and served as commissioner of the General Land Office from 1870 until 1874. Thereafter, he surveyed land along the Devils and Pecos rivers for the International-Great Northern and the Gulf, Western Texas and Pacific railroads. He was appointed principal surveyor for the Texas and Pacific Railroad Company in 1878 and worked in the Trans-Pecos region. Kuechler and his wife and son (two sons had died earlier) visited the German Empire in 1887. Kuechler died in Austin on April 4, 1893, and was buried in Oakwood Cemetery.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Rudolph L. Biesele, The History of the German Settlements in Texas, 1831-1861 (Austin: Von Boeckmann-Jones, 1930; rpt. 1964). J. J. Bowden, Surveying the Texas and Pacific Land Grant West of the Pecos River (Southwestern Studies 46 [El Paso: Texas Western Press, 1975]). Jacob Kuechler Papers, Barker Texas History Center, University of Texas at Austin. Solms-Braunfels Archives (transcripts, Sophienburg Museum, New Braunfels, Texas; Barker Texas History Center, University of Texas at Austin).

James Patrick McGuire


23 posted on 12/04/2004 12:31:54 PM PST by Fedora
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To: edg2103; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

Welcome to Free Republic.


24 posted on 12/04/2004 12:34:56 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Fedora! Long time no see...


25 posted on 12/04/2004 12:37:02 PM PST by tuliptree76
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To: tuliptree76

Hey, tt :) What's new with you?


26 posted on 12/04/2004 12:39:54 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Not a whole lot. Things are pretty much the same. How about you?


27 posted on 12/04/2004 12:40:51 PM PST by tuliptree76
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To: Fedora

Now see, since it was YOU doing the thing, I immediately thought GROUCHO Marx!

:-)

gimme a minute to look at what you've caught....


28 posted on 12/04/2004 12:40:59 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: 1rudeboy
Everyone knows the idea of "free trade" came by way of Mr. Erastus D. Goodwin, a farmer from Falls Village, Conn., in 1883.

I keep learning new stuff.

Unfree Trade bump!

29 posted on 12/04/2004 12:42:22 PM PST by secretagent
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To: edg2103

You know you're crazy, right?


30 posted on 12/04/2004 12:43:49 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: tiamat

I think he's trying to be sarcastic. (Maybe)


31 posted on 12/04/2004 12:46:52 PM PST by OSHA (He is unbeatable. Christ, we beat him twice, and he's still President. (DU Cherry.))
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To: tiamat

that's not what the head-doctors tell me.


32 posted on 12/04/2004 12:51:00 PM PST by edg2103
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To: tuliptree76

I've been dealing with server problems the past few days, so I've mostly been offline exercising, reading, and watching cartoons--last night was a "Popeye" marathon, LOL! Need to start doing some Christmas shopping soon. I tried to buy some stuff online for my brother but the stuff he wants is already sold out, so I have to think of something else. Are you near finals?


33 posted on 12/04/2004 12:51:01 PM PST by Fedora
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To: OSHA

I can't tell.

Just very very strange.

Gonna be a long, long month, FRiend..... the crazy people are all out there and most of them have Net access....


34 posted on 12/04/2004 12:51:44 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: Fedora

Yep. Only one more week before finals start. I don't have to take any finals though - I just have 2 papers left to write. I do give a final though.


35 posted on 12/04/2004 12:52:07 PM PST by tuliptree76
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To: edg2103
that's not what the head-doctors tell me.

They're just being kind. :^)

36 posted on 12/04/2004 12:53:23 PM PST by OSHA (He is unbeatable. Christ, we beat him twice, and he's still President. (DU Cherry.))
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To: tiamat
Now see, since it was YOU doing the thing, I immediately thought GROUCHO Marx!

Quote me as saying I was misquoted. . .


37 posted on 12/04/2004 12:53:53 PM PST by Fedora
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To: edg2103

Ist nacht Wunderbar?

My ancestros came from Germany, Hessen - Darmstadt area to be exact.
They came to America to be CITIZENS, not SUBJECTS.
They threw aside their language and learned English so they could be AMERICANS.

THAT is what America was, and should still be.


38 posted on 12/04/2004 12:56:05 PM PST by Darksheare (You must be this tall to read this tagline.)
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To: edg2103
Don't you hate how those damn German immigrants won't assimilate--they even refuse to learn English!

You are truly ignorant. We learned English as soon as we moved here and have assimilated quite well. There's nothing wrong with keeping some of our customs over the generations. BTW, we call ourselves American and not German-Americans like some other "minority" groups.
39 posted on 12/04/2004 12:57:02 PM PST by BJClinton (I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce)
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To: Darksheare

"Wunderbar" sounds like something that should be filled with nugat and covered in chocolate....


40 posted on 12/04/2004 12:58:04 PM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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