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Shocking Questions: Yes, There Are Answers (Warning: graphic sexual content)
BreakPoint with Chuck Colson ^ | December 3, 2004 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 12/04/2004 5:17:59 PM PST by Mr. Silverback

Note: The following commentary includes graphic descriptions. This is not suitable for children.

“I’m at my wits’ end,” the young woman wrote. “I’ve asked pastors, friends, parents, God, and message boards this question and still haven’t received an intelligent answer that I can live with. Why are homosexual acts wrong? I’m a Christian and believe in the Bible, but this part always stumps me.”

According to my friend, Dr. J. Budziszewski, author of the excellent new book, Ask Me Anything: Provocative Answers for College Students, disturbing questions like this show that church leaders aren’t providing young people with the whole picture about sexuality. They may be faithfully teaching God’s rules, but when asked why God made these rules, too often they say, “Take two aspirin, and wait for the questions to go away.”

The good news, says Budziszewski, is that we can answer disturbing questions. Where are the answers found? In our creational design.

“People say homosexuality isn’t natural,” the young woman complained in her letter, “but that can’t be true because it’s found among animals.” Budziszewski answers, “But our nature is how God designed us. What’s natural for human beings isn’t whatever you can find some animal doing; it’s whatever fulfills our design. Men and women were plainly designed for each other—not men for men, nor women for women.” Children can be born in no other way.

“But homosexual acts don’t harm anyone,” said the young woman. Budziszewski answers, “The idea that homosexual acts don’t harm anyone isn’t even close to being true; they harm those who perform them at every level. To begin with the most obvious level—the physical—how could it not harm a man to suffer physical trauma because body parts are repeatedly forced into bodily openings that were designed for a radically different function?” And the rates of a long, long list of diseases are also much higher among practicing homosexuals, and contrary to popular belief, this is true for lesbians as well as for “gay” men.

At the emotional level, Budziszewski explains, the damage of homosexual acts is just as grave. God designed the male-female pair to balance each other; by contrast, same-sex mating drives them out of balance. If you want an example, think of the anonymous, no-brakes promiscuity of men who have sex with hundreds, even thousands, of other men.

“And what about spiritual harm?” asks Budziszewski. “In homosexual acts, you’re seeking union with someone who is only your own mirror image, so in a way, you’re still trapped inside yourself. You haven’t experienced the power of marital sexuality to take you beyond the Self; you’re rejecting the challenge of union with someone who is really other. In that way, homosexual acts are less like marital intercourse than like masturbation with another body.”

That’s frank, even startling language, but what’s happened to our culture is startling too. When young people confused by the culture ask questions, they need clear, unvarnished answers to set their thinking straight. That’s why I recommend this great new book Ask Me Anything: Provocative Answers for College Students.

God’s rules for sex are never arbitrary; they are based on how He made us. As Budziszewski rightly says, it’s all in the design.


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1 posted on 12/04/2004 5:18:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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To: agenda_express; applemac_g4; BA63; banjo joe; Believer 1; billbears; Blood of Tyrants; Boxsford; ...

BreakPoint/Chuck Colson Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my BreakPoint Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

2 posted on 12/04/2004 5:18:38 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
(Warning: graphic sexual content)

Ok, you have our attention...
3 posted on 12/04/2004 5:22:22 PM PST by MaryFromMichigan (We childproofed our home, but they are still getting in)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Remember when you were little and you asked your parents why something was so and they said, "Because I said so"... the same applies to the Bible.. I don't question the Lord's wisdom, I just accept it.


4 posted on 12/04/2004 5:23:12 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Please add me to your Breakpoint/Colson ping. Thanks.

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5 posted on 12/04/2004 5:26:09 PM PST by viaveritasvita (Contend for the Truth of God against false teachings. Jude 1:3)
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To: Awestruck

"Remember when you were little and you asked your parents why something was so and they said, "Because I said so"... the same applies to the Bible.. I don't question the Lord's wisdom, I just accept it."

I have every intention of asking Him "Why?" when I get there. I'm trying to obey, even though I don't always understand why he wants us to do some things, and refrain from others. I did not always feel that way, though, and I found out the hard way that some of the things he asks us not to do are not good for us. I have many fewer of those "Why?" questions than I did 30 years ago. I didn't much like it when my parents used that "I'm older than you, and know more." arguement, either. Some folks can learn by being told, some only learn my messing up. Some don't even learn from that. Maybe that is why he gave us rules we don't always understand? Begins to look likely to me, anyway. What do you think about it?


6 posted on 12/04/2004 5:32:06 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: Mr. Silverback
Don't need no stinkin collage book....  just explain to the kids that homo's are like two headed toads and something went wrong with them. Just leave them alone and don't torment them.
7 posted on 12/04/2004 5:32:30 PM PST by sandviper
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To: Mr. Silverback
But homosexual acts don’t harm anyone,

Wrong. Their selfish, animalistic acts have increased the prevalence of diseases such as HIV into our population that has also killed innocent people, hemophiliacs, wives, newborns, etc. These people are a public health nightmare.

8 posted on 12/04/2004 5:33:43 PM PST by lizma
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To: Mr. Silverback
"....You haven’t experienced the power of marital sexuality to take you beyond the Self; you’re rejecting the challenge of union with someone who is really other."

I would take this a bit further to suggest that those who want a God (and His word) to condone homosexuality (e.g., I was born this way) have fashioned a new god for themselves. And the new god looks just like them. In essence, between the writers point above, and mine - we have the purest form of idolatry.

9 posted on 12/04/2004 5:34:18 PM PST by anniegetyourgun (Buddy, can you spare a tagline?)
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To: Mr. Silverback

It is a simple and consistent message within the Bible: It is wrong to have sex outside of marriage.

This is true for heterosexuals and homosexuals; however, only heterosexuals can be married.

It is not a sin to have a proclivity to one or the other. It is a sin when one acts upon it or allows it to become lust.


10 posted on 12/04/2004 5:36:49 PM PST by ScottM1968
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To: Mr. Silverback

And Allah t'Allah


11 posted on 12/04/2004 5:37:34 PM PST by johnb838 ("To Hell They Will Go" -- The Iyad Allawi Story.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
There's probably nothing wrong with these kinds of rational "explanations" of the Biblical injunctions against certain kinds of behavior. But in the end, it comes down to a tautology: it's wrong because it's wrong.

Morality always requires a leap of faith.

12 posted on 12/04/2004 5:38:48 PM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: Mr. Silverback
From what I can understand, homosexual temple prostitutes, referred to as "dogs" in Psalms 22, mocked Christ on the cross, one can only imagine what they were saying to Him.

God refers to turning certain people over to a reprobate mind, a physical change to the brain, where men lust for men and their women lust for other women receiving into themselves, both in their physical bodies and their spirits, mete recompense for their feelings about, and disobedience to God.

The way I feel about it is that I have enough baggage to carry with me to judgment day, that I find I have to much to condemn in myself, to dare to instruct another.

That does not mean I will suffer it's acceptance as a normal element of society. We are called to behave higher than the animals, even though we are flesh animals ourselves we contain what they do not, we contain a spirit that will either live or die according to our decisions.

13 posted on 12/04/2004 5:41:13 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Mr. Silverback
In homosexual acts, you’re seeking union with someone who is only your own mirror image

Bear + otter, femme + butch, cowboy + interior decorator... how can gay people be mirror images of each other, when they can be so different from each other?

Anyway, what is so inherently normal about seeking out something unlike yourself to have sex with? If that's so normal, how come it's illegal in most states to have sex with your dog? How come conservative women are supposed to marry conservative men? Isn't that narcissistic?

14 posted on 12/04/2004 5:41:39 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: ScottM1968

If your eye causes you to sin, cut out and throw it away for it is better to enter eternity with one eye than to be cast into the outer darkness. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away...

I take from this that if a lust (like homosexuality) causes you to stumble you should remain celibate rather than giving in to ungodly and animalistic instincts.

That said, I wish I were perfect but I'm not. I am not gay, but I did have a drinking problem. Now I just compulsively over eat. Progress?


15 posted on 12/04/2004 5:42:04 PM PST by johnb838 ("To Hell They Will Go" -- The Iyad Allawi Story.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I heard this author, Budziszewski, interviewed on Hank Hanagraff's show "The Bible Answer Man" (syndicated on Christian radio stations) with Hank predictably giving him lavish praise.

While I am an evangelical Christian, and agree with his conclusions, Budziszewski is long on reasons, and short on scripture. He reminded me what you might hear a Roman Catholic theologian argue, mainly from natural law, NOT from the Bible.

For example, his reasoning against homosexual marriage is that marriage is meant for children, and since homosexual relationships are by nature sterile, it makes them wrong. Good conclusion, and reasonble, but... no mention of the Bible in that--despite various verses that describe the meaning of marriage (how about in a perfect creation God saying, "It is not good that man is alone..." (Gen. 2 )).

When a woman called in to say she and her husband couldn't have children, asking if her marriage was therefore invalid, Budziszewski was befuddled....as it didn't fit the paradigm. Why doesn't he just go to Levitical law and also New Testament commands? Those never mention that THE main reason for marriage is children, but they clearly mention that homosexual relations are an abomination.

Any moral reasoning must be anchored in the Bible first...then possible reasons can be reasonably figured (for example yes, marriage is the right place for children, and of course A reason for it...but scripture never calls it THE reason), as we know scripture is God's word, His revelation, to mankind. I can't get excited about a Protestant Evangelical scholar who goes back to Natural Law and reasoning, when scripture is plain in and of itself, and cannot be argued against.

What reason can do, reason can also undo, therefore I'm not thrilled with Dr. Budziszewski.


16 posted on 12/04/2004 5:42:06 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: anniegetyourgun

You've just articulated why their form of idolotry leads some lesbians to proclaim themselves to be 'goddesses.'


17 posted on 12/04/2004 5:43:11 PM PST by Lindykim (")
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To: Mr. Silverback
“but that can’t be true because it’s found among animals.”

From my experience with dogs it's always about dominance and submission.
I wouldn't be suprised to find the same dynamic at the root of human behavior.

18 posted on 12/04/2004 5:44:16 PM PST by kanawa (Only losers look for exit strategies. Winners figure out how to win.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Kind of silly. God is not obligated to explain His reasoning to satisfy our sense of fairness or propriety. If God says that wearing plaid is wrong, then it's wrong, regardless of whether I can think of any "good reason."


19 posted on 12/04/2004 5:44:41 PM PST by Sloth (Al Franken is a racist.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
But... but... but those who condemn homosexual action are evil horrible people, God wants to kill your children, and you should all burn in hell. I know this because I heard it on this voice mail here.

NPR Reporter Says Christians Should 'Burn'

20 posted on 12/04/2004 5:49:12 PM PST by CedarDave (Tagline closed on weekends)
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To: lizma
To answer her question, Man was created without sin. Once mankind sinned, it infected all of creation and death entered the world...

I can't believe that no one could answer her question. She probably couldn't comprehend because she didn't like the answer.

21 posted on 12/04/2004 5:50:13 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Sloth

What about clothing with thread from different sources? What about dairy with meat? Or shellfish? Or pork? Why is it OK to eat a locust but not a beetle?


22 posted on 12/04/2004 5:52:01 PM PST by johnb838 ("To Hell They Will Go" -- The Iyad Allawi Story.)
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To: CedarDave

Just in case anyone misunderstands:

/sarcasm


23 posted on 12/04/2004 5:53:19 PM PST by CedarDave (Tagline closed on weekends)
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To: lizma

My personal observation.

Homosexuals in their senior years are usually bitter, selfish, anti-social, lonely and resentful. I see no glory or joy in the lives of older homos, compared to married senior citizens, that is, male/female couples, who are usually, to some degree, content, loving, and loyal.

To me, in the long-run, after many years of the "gay" lifestyle, these folks are not a happy lot. That's proof enough for me that it is not God's will.


24 posted on 12/04/2004 6:00:22 PM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: AnalogReigns

snip...I can't get excited about a Protestant Evangelical scholar who goes back to Natural Law and reasoning, when scripture is plain in and of itself, and cannot be argued against.


While what you say is true, it's also true that Budziszewski is following in CS Lewis's footsteps in that like Lewis, he's learning to frame responses, reasoning, etc. in secular language and not in Biblical language. This is because so very many Americans today have never been to church and have never read the Bible. Therefore, if you base your responses and/or arguments upon the Bible and the authority of God to these sorts of people it is to them as though you've just said...."Because Superman said so in his Superman comic book."


It could be therefore that Budziszewski hasn't fully reasoned out every Biblical issue into secular terms. Also, he was an atheist, so he no doubt is still journeying towards the Truth.


25 posted on 12/04/2004 6:00:39 PM PST by Lindykim (")
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To: Mr. Silverback

right - it IS found among animals --- un-natural deformed animals only.

thankfully, homosexuals CANNOT reproduce naturally - But the scumbag lawyers/judges/politicians have allowed the deviants to reproduce through very un-natural means.

I supposed this is someones answer to reduce the human population as their diseases spread unchecked.


26 posted on 12/04/2004 6:01:44 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: CedarDave

I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, ...






sorry, couldn't resist


27 posted on 12/04/2004 6:06:25 PM PST by sdpatriot ("If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly." Rummy)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"....You haven’t experienced the power of marital sexuality to take you beyond the Self; you’re rejecting the challenge of union with someone who is really other."

Not a bad argument, but a bit metaphysical for people looking for a logical reason "why not?"

The reasons "why not" are straightforward: diseases that spread in almost no other way, greatly increased risk of sex act-incurred physical damage to one or both homosexual partners, the impossibility of reproduction in such relationships, the confusing and unhappy role models for children that homosexuals inevitably become, and the societal damage caused by the promiscuity inherent to the lifestyle. Every single one of these objections is logical, reasonable, intellectually sound, and applicable whether one is religious or not (though gay advocates will fight them all to the death - mostly with lies and false statistics aimed at distorting the truth).

And not one of them depends on the existence of some mean guy with a white beard up in the clouds who is going to smite homosexuals with lighting bolts unless they give up their practices. ;)

28 posted on 12/04/2004 6:07:00 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Silverback
It is an abomination, Leviticus 18: verse 22,The Orthodox Jew feels homosexulaity is an abomination, so does God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Nuff said?
29 posted on 12/04/2004 6:08:24 PM PST by lucky7
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To: AnalogReigns

Seems nothing wrong with backing up the Word of God with reasoning. All truth is God's truth. Why not base what we believe on the Bible, then explain it with reasoning? Reasoning is just drawing conclusions from evidence.

It seems obvious that men and women were designed for each other, just at we sometimes speak of the "male" part of an electric cord and the "female" plug. Two men together cannot by definition experience sex because there is no coupling of organs.


30 posted on 12/04/2004 6:08:47 PM PST by garjog
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To: sandviper

LOL! Good one.


31 posted on 12/04/2004 6:11:57 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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To: lizma
"These people are a public health nightmare."

They make the T.B. problems of the early 20th century look like a slight case of the sniffles...
32 posted on 12/04/2004 6:15:21 PM PST by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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To: steplock

I think your tin foil hat's on a little too tight.


33 posted on 12/04/2004 6:15:27 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: lucky7
"It is an abomination, Leviticus 18: verse 22,The Orthodox Jew feels homosexulaity is an abomination, so does God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Nuff said?"

Yes, but that's all under the "Old Testament" dispensation, and is no longer valid for Christians. You need the appropriate "New Testament" condemnation.

34 posted on 12/04/2004 6:15:33 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Mr. Silverback
homosexual acts are less like marital intercourse than like masturbation with another body

That is interesting. Food for thought.

35 posted on 12/04/2004 6:18:27 PM PST by AM2000 (I am not responsible for the contents of this post.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
If you want an example, think of the anonymous, no-brakes promiscuity of men who have sex with hundreds, even thousands, of other men.

According to one questionairre, a very large percentage of homosexual men (something like 35%) had indicated that they had had "well over 500" sexual partners.

36 posted on 12/04/2004 6:33:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: IronJack

"Morality always requires a leap of faith"

I would disagree with this view.

Our recent experience here in New Jersey with Gov McGreavy validates the long-standing wisdom of keeping people with these proclivities out of positions ot trust. As C.S. Lewis pointed out in his book, The Abolition of Man, morality is objectivity itself.


37 posted on 12/04/2004 6:34:51 PM PST by RonBomb
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To: IronJack

"Morality always requires a leap of faith"

I would disagree with this view.

Our recent experience here in New Jersey with Gov McGreavy validates the long-standing wisdom of keeping people with these proclivities out of positions ot trust. As C.S. Lewis pointed out in his book, The Abolition of Man, morality is objectivity itself.


38 posted on 12/04/2004 6:35:38 PM PST by RonBomb
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To: Mr. Silverback

God's perfect timing ping!


39 posted on 12/04/2004 6:39:24 PM PST by June Cleaver (in here, Ward . . .)
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To: johnb838

John the Baptist ate locust beans, IOW, carob pods. He did not eat insects.


40 posted on 12/04/2004 6:40:39 PM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Dr. J. Budziszewski's answers seem ok for a start, and I have no problem with secular or rational arugments against homosexual behavior. When discussing with someone who has no faith in God, it's a good idea to be able to speak about the myriad reasons why homosexuality is not normal, natural, or healthy - or good for individuals or society as a whole.

Anyone who hasn't yet can check out this for a whole bunch of rational arugments against normalizing homosexuality:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts
Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links


And let me and ItsOurTimeNow know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


41 posted on 12/04/2004 6:46:32 PM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: Alacarte

God's perfect timing ping! (meant to do this the first time)


42 posted on 12/04/2004 6:52:12 PM PST by June Cleaver (in here, Ward . . .)
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To: Awestruck

Accepting God's wisdom is a fine concept, but determining the nature of that wisdom presents more than a little difficulty. After all, lots of sincere Christians have justified lots of evil (chattel slavery in the USA, for example) by thinking it was sanctioned by God's wisdom. At a minimum, the Billy Graham approach seems appropriate: yes, engaging in homosexual acts is a sin, but no worse than any other sin, such as the sin of "pride." That sin of "pride" (the opposite of humility) might even ensnare a fair number of Freepers from time to time.


43 posted on 12/04/2004 6:52:41 PM PST by olrtex
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To: All

Fortythree posts already on a Saturday night? Maybe I should put a sexual content warning in all my thread titles!


44 posted on 12/04/2004 6:55:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Well spoken. Though reason is sometimes rooted in Scripture, a lot of times those who use it do not realize where it comes from.

Once we depart from Scripture as our basis for right/wrong, we can only wait until someone with stronger reasoning powers comes along to defeat our arguments.


45 posted on 12/04/2004 7:04:45 PM PST by formerlytempaussie (Minnesota--recovering liberal state.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I have a sister who is gay. She refers to me as a 'breeder'.
I refer to her as things I cannot repeat here. When I say them to her, she says I'm homophobic. I respond by calling her heterophobic.

This is a group of people who by all logic should be on the endangered species list, but through gay and pro-gay politicians, they have hijacked our schools, taught children that being queer is o.k., and promoted a culture of sin.

Billy doesn't have two daddies or two mommies. He has one of each. That's they way nature works.


46 posted on 12/04/2004 7:07:02 PM PST by 82Marine89 (Illegal used to mean 'against the law'. Now its a voting block.)
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To: Awestruck
Remember when you were little and you asked your parents why something was so and they said, "Because I said so"... the same applies to the Bible.. I don't question the Lord's wisdom, I just accept it.

I prefer the teaching of God's word on this subject:

Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.--Colossians 4:6

We are also counseled by Paul to be always ready to give an answer for the hope that we have.

There is a great gulf between questioning God's wisdom and asking questions about why things are the way they are. A faith that can't stand up to a reverent, curious question from a believer (much less a question from a skeptic) is of little value, and is certainly not the bold faith passed down to us by people like Aquinas and Augustine.

47 posted on 12/04/2004 7:08:34 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: viaveritasvita

You're added! See you Monday.


48 posted on 12/04/2004 7:09:14 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=56646

For the Godless, even Mother Nature apparently has a problem with homosexuality.


49 posted on 12/04/2004 7:10:37 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To: Old Student

No reason to worry about questions. See my post 47.


50 posted on 12/04/2004 7:11:09 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A Freelance Business Writer looking for business.)
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