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Atheists, not Muslims, are anti-Christmas
The Australian ^ | 7th December 2004 | Waleed Aly

Posted on 12/07/2004 7:28:32 PM PST by naturalman1975

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To: ariamne
Perhaps you should do some reading. In Islam, Jesus is revered as a great prophet. On the Iraqi Blogs at Christmas, they always post Seasons Greetings.

You are mixing up radical Islam with the real Islam which IS quite compatible with Christianity. After all, it's just the last several decades where there has been a problem.

161 posted on 12/08/2004 4:23:40 PM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: broadsword

To be added to your good guys (or girls) list is truly an honor. Many thanks. And thank God for Protest Warriors who led me to Free Republic in the first place! (and while I'm at it, thanks to the lunacy of the liberal left. Even a koolaid drinker like me HAD to see through the fog.)


162 posted on 12/08/2004 4:26:02 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: McGavin999

"You are mixing up radical Islam with the real Islam which IS quite compatible with Christianity."

How is it compatible?


163 posted on 12/08/2004 4:29:34 PM PST by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy
Both religions love God and seek to please Him.

After all, isn't that the entire purpose of religion?

164 posted on 12/08/2004 4:30:41 PM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: McGavin999

Did you read Quran? Just curious.


165 posted on 12/08/2004 4:33:21 PM PST by velocityguy
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To: McGavin999

I am open to recommendations, but I have read fairly extensively on the subject. Just to name a few, I've read two books by Steve Emerson, Fighting Terrorism by Benjamin Netanyahu, Militant Islam Reaches American by Daniel Pipes, as well as numerous articles from various sources. I've also read Edward Said and a few others to get a counter balance. Please do not assume that because I'm new to FR that I'm new to the study of the danger of Islam. I am sure you meant no offense.


166 posted on 12/08/2004 4:33:49 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: McGavin999

You neglected to mention Judaism. Do Jews not also love God and seek to please him? And by the way, insinuating that I don't read ("you should try reading") is hardly a prelude to reasoned, coherent debate.


167 posted on 12/08/2004 4:40:00 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: velocityguy
Did you read Quran?

No way. Nobody who has read it could post the things he does.

I HAVE read it. I am studying Arabic to better know my country's enemies. These Islamodefenders do not know what they are doing. So sad that their feeding the bears will get other good people killed.
168 posted on 12/08/2004 4:53:39 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: ariamne

But Jews do not seek to please God by slaughtering innocent women and children and oppressing/honor-killing women. There is no comparison, but then, the Jews do not worship and seek to please a (false) bloodthirsty Moon god or worship a meteorite in Mecca. Nor does the Jewish religion make it a virtue to lie to the infidel.

The moral relativism of these cowardly appeasers would please Allah if he actually existed.


169 posted on 12/08/2004 4:57:33 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Prime Choice; Ragnar54; hosepipe; spinestein; nuconvert; Tired of Taxes; naturalman1975

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=atheist

Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist
Function: noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

The language continues to be twisted.
Like ‘gay’ = ‘homosexual’. When someone writes
“An atheist hates anything Christian”;
they are not correct.

The English Language does not have a word for
“Jesus-hating -- Christian-loathing –
Ten-Commandment-trashing – ACLU-loving --
anti-religious zealots.

Maybe we could call them HACORs (Hates
Anything Christian Or Religious)

While HACORs may be atheists, they
certainly hate Jesus, Jesus’ Father,
Christians, evangelicals, the Ten
Commandments, etc.

atheists are only “one who believes
that there is no deity”. They don't
necessarily hate anything.

Remember C. S. Lewis started out as an atheist.


170 posted on 12/08/2004 5:03:00 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: broadsword

"So sad that their feeding the bears will get other good people killed."

Very true. The people that say that "islam is peaceful" must be definitely someone that falls into these four catagories -

1. They have not read the violent Book of Jihad aka Quran,
2. They are blind to the murderous history of the Islam
3. They are trying to be politically correct by pacifying Islamists at the expense of the rest of the Americans
4. They may not have brains and are just plain old fools who will never understand the reality or think rationally.

Because of people like these, the rest of the world is paying a heavy price. I wonder how long these pacifists of Islam would survive if they are to live under Sharia law like the one in Afghanistan. May be they should visit http://rawa.org for a preview of what its like under strict Islam.


171 posted on 12/08/2004 5:06:15 PM PST by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy

5. And some, because of cowardice or just plain lack of real-time experience, think that every animal can be tamed by a bowl of milk and a warm hug.

I just thank God that there are Americans like you around. I feel less alone that way. I love this beautiful country and do not want to lose it to the savage primitives.


172 posted on 12/08/2004 5:12:20 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: ariamne

"You try to make Islam an ally of Christianity for a racist purpose. It's only a matter of time before you bring out the jewish conspiracy garbage."

? Care to expand on this?

"Face it, you're busted."

Oh, really? You mean you've been able to detect & reveal something in a couple of hours in order to "bust" me, that no one's been able to do in 21 months and 13,200 posts? Wow. Delusions of grandeur, maybe.
Okay, I'm holding my breath.


173 posted on 12/08/2004 5:22:56 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: ariamne
There is NO question that there is compatibility between Judism and Christianity. That's not what we are discussing here. All three are Abrahimic religions. Do you think that God did that in error?

The simple fact is, we had better all try to figure out a way to get along. The ONE thing that is common to all three is the love of God.

Yes, there are fanatics in the Muslim religion, but if you will recall, there were also fanatics in the Christian religion too.

Israel is located in the middle east, they are surrounded by Muslim countries. Before Khomeni took over in Iran, the people of Iran were friends of Israel. Cyrus, the ancient king of Persia was the best friend the Jews ever had.

This hatred, this division, is a man made thing and it has to be stopped. It will not be stopped by returning hatred with hatred. Are some Muslims evil? Yes, of course they are, as are some Christians and some Jews. But nothing is solved by tarring everyone with one brush. There are more than 1 billion Muslims on this planet. We had better figure out a way to seperate the good from the bad in all religions and do what we can to get along with each other.

174 posted on 12/08/2004 5:24:31 PM PST by McGavin999 (George Soros just learned a very expensive lesson-America can't be bought.)
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To: broadsword

And thank God for Americans like you who don't flinch at the truth. Keep speaking out.


175 posted on 12/08/2004 5:26:55 PM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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To: nuconvert

LOL!

You were busted long ago, and it just keeps getting more and more obvious as to just who and what you are.


176 posted on 12/08/2004 5:28:59 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: broadsword

Wow, really?


177 posted on 12/08/2004 5:34:51 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: McGavin999
Yes, there are fanatics in the Muslim religion, but if you will recall, there were also fanatics in the Christian religion too.

Notice my added emphasis in your sentence. This is where defenders of mohammedanism go wrong.

For anyone who missed it somehow, Christianity had a Reformation quite some time ago.

The world is still waiting for that to happen in the death-cult known as islam.

When islam is purged of its madmen, then and only then will it be taken seriously as a "religion of peace".

178 posted on 12/08/2004 5:44:20 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: nuconvert

The other day, this guy was mentioning how Quran aka the Book of Jihad mentions everything that a Human Being should abide by. And he goes on saying, "Allah has created everything. Infact, Allah created the mountains as pillars at strategic places on earth so that the earth is always balanced". After hearing that, I gave up on all hope in convincing an "anti-infidel" to be a bit rational. Well, I should not be blaming the guy. I should be blaming the Book of Jihad for misleading all the Islamists with teachings like the one above. I will be glad to provide the reference if someone has any doubts about these "pillars" on which this earth is supported according to the Book of Jihad.

So the point is, nuconvert seems to be one of those CAIR trained Islamists who believes like the guy mentioning above with out even thinking for once. Well, rationality is NOT a concept in Islam anyway. The only concept/prescription is submitting to Islam. If someone questions it, they are dead meat!!! Ofcourse, again killing is prescribed in the Book of Jihad!!! nuconvert should go ask an imam at http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php

And to others looking for some laughter before they go to bed tonight, they can read the Imam's responses to questions posted at the website http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php


179 posted on 12/08/2004 5:47:13 PM PST by velocityguy
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To: velocityguy

"nuconvert seems to be one of those CAIR trained Islamists "

You obviously haven't read my posts in the past.
Try reading, before you embarrass yourself more.


180 posted on 12/08/2004 5:54:53 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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