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Sad News: David Brudnoy Very Ill
WBZ - Boston ^

Posted on 12/08/2004 1:34:49 PM PST by Conservomax

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To: ladyrustic
Yes, very.

I don't think you are. You swapped your words for mine. It was patently dishonest. You knew it.

61 posted on 12/08/2004 5:28:17 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

Have you ever listened to David Brudnoy? Or are you just posting out of severe ignorance?


62 posted on 12/08/2004 5:33:16 PM PST by jackbill
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To: jackbill
Why do I need to listen to him to know I'm not honoring him as a hero because he is dying from AIDS ?

He contracted the disease by engaging in homosexual behavior. I have sympathy for his innoncent victims, if there are any.

63 posted on 12/08/2004 5:38:48 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Hoodlum91

I agree completely. It was a pleasure to listen to David, both for his beautiful voice and his powerful intellect.


64 posted on 12/08/2004 5:40:16 PM PST by carola
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To: Taliesan
A libertarian if I am not mistaken.

Yep. I was living in the Boston area when he first went public with his diagnosis of AIDS and was a regular listener of his show. You don't get much tougher than him and it's sad that his battle will end this way.

65 posted on 12/08/2004 5:40:18 PM PST by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: jackbill
Or are you just posting out of severe ignorance?

What else can he be posting out of? Anyone who's known his program is feeling a bit dimmer at this news.

66 posted on 12/08/2004 5:42:34 PM PST by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: af_vet_1981
Yes, I know what it means. God instructs us to abide by earthly laws. Scott Peterson has been found guilty by a jury of his peers. Mr Peterson can still attain salvation by repentence and profession of faith. This does not negate his requirement to answer for his crimes here on earth through the jury's decision. It does provide a saving grace for his soul.

Brudnoy has, as far as I know, committed no crime. He has sinned. His sins can be forgiven, should he ask in sincerity. God has instructed us to NOT make judgement on men's souls.("Judgement is mine, saith the Lord.") I refuse to pass spiritual judgement on Brudnoy's condition. That is between him and God.

67 posted on 12/08/2004 5:43:12 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Taliesan
A libertarian if I am not mistaken.

A RINO who converted to a Libertarian

Boston radio legend David Brudnoy joins LP

After years as a "libertarian" Republican, he finally admits that the GOP is hopeless

68 posted on 12/08/2004 5:44:45 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

af_vet_1981,
I do not support the homosexual lifestyle or agenda in any way, but I don't think we need to pile on the man. He was a man, he wasn't trying to be a hero or a celebrity (from what I know of him) He seemed fairly honest, I listened to him for many years and he was a thoughtful, articulate person. I did not always agree with him, but he did not wear his homosexual lifestyle on his sleeve. He made reference to it on occasion, but usually in discussing some facet of a current event. Give him a little peace on his way out. Nothing personal against you, just my opinion.


69 posted on 12/08/2004 5:46:22 PM PST by rlmorel
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To: Conservomax

I was able to listen to him once in a while at night in the car radio here in Penna. He is a true gentleman.


70 posted on 12/08/2004 5:48:11 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: af_vet_1981

You don't need to have listened to him. You don't need to "honor" him. In fact, you don't even need to know how he contracted AIDS. You also don't need to disparage someone who you don't know. But that's your choice. In my view, that diminishes you, not Dr. Brudnoy.

Would it surprise you to know that, if I had a choice of listening to him or to you, I would pick him in a heartbeat? Frankly, I don't think that you are qualified to discuss his situation.


71 posted on 12/08/2004 5:51:47 PM PST by jackbill
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To: rlmorel
He made reference to it on occasion

Indeed, he was honored for it by local Boy Scouts of Boston.

This was done on purpose, according to the local leader of the Scouts, Brock Bigsby, who told the Boston Globe he hopes that the choice of Brudnoy will end any confusion that the Boston group agrees with the national policy on homosexuals.

A.P. wrote that Brudnoy was invited to make it "crystal clear - that it [the local Council] opposes the ban on gay troop leaders."

Brudnoy informed the gathering that they told him, 'We want to signal through you, our nondiscrimination policy."

The Council also introduced a new "diversity awareness award badge," which includes homosexuality.

Brudnoy also used his time at the Scout podium on Monday to urge a change in their belief about God. According to the A.P., "Brudnoy said that Minuteman Council has done the right thing with its nondiscrimination policy - and should even go a step further - looking at the national bylaw requiring duty to God. 'Currently an atheist or agnostic kid cannot be a scout,' he said, adding that he [Brudnoy] planned to call for change." Brudnoy has even been advising the Catholic Church. He wrote an article for the Boston Herald on April 18, in which he solemnly advised the church that it is not homosexuals who caused their problem. He says there are those on the left who say celibacy is the problem instead of seeing this as "the more encompassing matters of sex, sexuality and marital status in the church." Those on the right "insist that gay priests are the cause of pedophilia." But they're both wrong, according to Brudnoy. He then tells us, "Some homosexuals take advantage of those too young to make rational decisions, as do some heterosexuals."

Give him a little peace on his way out.

Let him repent first.

There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

72 posted on 12/08/2004 5:55:33 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Miss Marple

Go and sin no more.


73 posted on 12/08/2004 5:56:45 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: jackbill
You don't need to have listened to him. You don't need to "honor" him. In fact, you don't even need to know how he contracted AIDS.

Brudnoy told Reason magazine he got AIDS as the result of oral homosexual sex in the 1980s and was diagnosed with AIDS in 1988. He kept the news to himself until he collapsed in 1994 ...

It is clear to me that your hero infected other human beings.

You also don't need to disparage someone who you don't know. But that's your choice. In my view, that diminishes you, not Dr. Brudnoy. Would it surprise you to know that, if I had a choice of listening to him or to you, I would pick him in a heartbeat? Frankly, I don't think that you are qualified to discuss his situation.

I'm not surprised at all. One third of the country chooses to support the homosexual agenda.

74 posted on 12/08/2004 5:58:24 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

You refer to Mr. Brudnoy in your posts as "your hero". Why is that? He certainly isn't my hero or the 'hero' of many who post here. I would guess that most of us disagree with his stance on many issues. But that is no reason to speak ill of him the way you do, in my opinion.

I vehemently disagree with his stance on the Boy Scouts, as an example. But I am not going to attack him personally for it. I am going to approach the issue the way we should, as Americans, through the lawful processes.

He is a flawed individual, but that does not mean he relinquishes his humanity because of his flaws. ( We only reserve that for Ted Kennedy here.)


75 posted on 12/08/2004 6:06:08 PM PST by rlmorel
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To: af_vet_1981; Gay State Conservative

No matter how you slice it, a man who contracted AIDS by his own wilful and deliberate sin is not a hero. And the hanging question is how many others did he infect ?

That is a rather cold reply, don't you think? I too believe that the homosexual lifestyle is a sin, but as people they too are made in the image and and likeness of God, and should therefore be treated with the same respect and dignity as any other member of the human race.

It is a shame that this man is suffering such a painful death, and it is even more tragic to think that it was brought upon himself through his own behavior, or that others will suffer the same fate because of him.

Again, I'm not defending this man's lifestyle, but we are all going to die in the same state: hoping for God's mercy and forgiveness. We are all sinners, let's not be so presumptuous as to put limits on God's ability to forgive, or presume that OUR sins can't possibly be judged as harshly as another's.


76 posted on 12/08/2004 6:07:12 PM PST by Juana la Loca
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To: af_vet_1981
It is clear to me that your hero infected other human beings.

And I'm sure that you can provide proof for that accusation.

Perhaps you should just crawl back into your hole and let the man die in peace.

77 posted on 12/08/2004 6:07:45 PM PST by jackbill
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To: af_vet_1981
I am a results-oriented person.

Do you think your ascerbic attacks on this man advances the pro-family agenda in any way? Could you consider that Christ forgave the thief on the Cross, at the last moment before death? Can you not find compassion in your heart?

Although I consider this man a sinner, I do not think Jesus would ask us to be so hateful to him in his present position.

Perhaps I have a faulty understanding of my faith, but I must simply disagree with your attacks on this man.

78 posted on 12/08/2004 6:08:28 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: af_vet_1981
Sorry, no homosexual heros here on FR.

Uh, STFU.

Find another thread.

This is about a man's dying; a man who a lot of Freepers have some feeling for. Go away.

Now

79 posted on 12/08/2004 6:14:23 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Miss Marple
God has instructed us to NOT make judgement on men's souls.

G-d has instructed us to judge his behavior. Some men, due to wilfulness, wickedness and hardness of heart, will not repent. Their notoriously evil behavior should be condemned and not honored in their death.

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.

And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.

If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

80 posted on 12/08/2004 6:14:52 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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