Posted on 12/09/2004 6:49:31 PM PST by mysonsfuture
On Hannity and Combs, Sean responded to the liberals keeping the declaration of independence out of the schools, by calling for parents to take thier kids out of government schools. Home school bump.
Hannity and Boortz are still friends from Sean's radio days here in Atlanta just before he went to NYC and Fox and hit the big time.
Politically correct cesspools.
My kids have not and will not ever set foot in a government school. Christian schools for both and they love it, so do we.
re: the term "Government schools" -- a good friend who has long been active in education issues such as textbook "censorship" (by the left) says that "government schools" is a far more accurate term. Although there is a degree of local involvement (school boards, votes on taxation), all the *real* decisions are made in the headquarters of the state departments of education, with the local schools left to figure out how to implement the policy directives.
Ya know, not all teachers are liberal lazy buttheads controlled by the NEA. To categorize all of us that way is extremely stereotypical. And to the individual who said that teachers have it way too easy.....come walk in my shoes for a week or better yet a day. You'd never make it. My day starts around 7AM with hall duty where I have to babysit kids who's parents dump them off on us so they can get rid of them as early as possible. I get one 30 minutes planning period, the rest of the day I am in front of my class, on my feet, trying to cram a bizzillon state goals and objectives down kids throats who could care less. Do you only get one break a day to go to the restroom? That's all I get. Can't leave my students alone in the room to run to the restroom, one of them might decide to ACT UP. I also have to eat with my students at lunchtime. No lunchtime run out to the nearest cafe or fast food joint for me. No leisurely hour lunch break chatting with my fellow worker bees. Then, 8 hours after I started the day, it's off to bus duty or car rider duty or perhaps I have after school tutoring duty. Around 5ish, (10 hours later) I pack up my bag and head home. AHHH, time to relax. NOT. Gee, I guess I need to grade those papers. Another couple hours of work. Gosh, and what about those lesson plans I don't have time to do during the day because I'm TEACHING. I guess I'll just have to run out to school on SUNDAY to take care of that. Yeah, my job is real easy. Oh, and the 3 month summer vacation.....dream on. We get 6 weeks off and it's UNPAID vacation. Oh, and my great salary and benefits... I have a Master's degree and I make 30K a year at a state public school. Maybe before you start bashing all teachers you should do a little research. Most of us work our asses off because we love children and believe there are some out there worth saving. Oh another thing, shhhh, don't tell anyone, but in our PUBLIC school, we say the pledge with the word GOD in it and we PRAY before our meals and before all school events such as PTO meetings and staff meetings. I even have a manger scene up in my classroom. All public schools are not evil and most are doing the best they can with what society has placed into our care.
Again, "school choice"/voucher program is just that choice... if you want to keep your kids in failing public schools go ahead, if you didn't know public schools are already being teaching to and below minimum standards, ever hear of no child left behind act? This program would not force kids out of home schooling, but it would give parents the chine to send their kids to private schools if they don't have the money
That was not my arguement. I simply stated that Boortz is the only talk show host I have ever heard use the term "Government schools".
There is an essay written around 1918 or 1919.. by thorstein veblen who predicted the invevitable failure of public education for just the reasons stated here...not that those reasons are right, but those voicing them are a growing force.
feel better?
Good, as a public school teacher you deserve a good rant!..hehe
You sound like a teacher who cares, and as a fellow survivor of the "establishment", I empathize.
People who claim teaching is "easy" are ignorant of the profession.
That said, public education is falling apart, as your voice demonstrates.
If your job mainly consist of babysitting unruly kids, complying with red-tape, and performing a dozen or so other odd jobs at the school, when do you get time to actually teach the subject you love?
Isn't that what you wanted to do in the first place?
Wouldn't you love to teach in an environment where you were able to do your job, and end the day with a feeling of accomplishment and self-respect? I imagine you do, and I imagine that many of your students wish they were in an safe environment that challenges them intellectually.
If only there were some "alternative" where we could get parents and students who care, matched up with teachers who care........hmmm
In the Navy we had a saying "Chose the rate chose the fate"!
Not sure what you're saying here. I'll opine that we could have heart transplanters and missle defenders w/o the current education camps. Institutions of higher learning will continue.
It's the "lower learning" that I think needs attention. The crucible that sets up kids for their lives. I think the problem with it has been well identified. There just seems to be no easy solution.
Throwing buckets of money at it seems not to work.
Some anecdotal success stories with innovations like charter and magnet schools.
Home school seems the thing that is working. I'm pushing for more of that as others work the other angles.
Be very careful what you wish for.
IMHO with vouchers will eventually come government control. As soon as private schools have a certain amount of money from the government, regulation will follow as surely as night follows day.
It will start of benignly enough with some kind of "standards", but within 10-15 years private schools will all have to do the condom on the banana trick to keep their voucher money. And, sooner or later the NEA is going to see the light and accepting vouochers will mean the school has to accept the union.
At this point we will be in a terrible pickle--no really private schools will remain and the government will have control of all education.
Learn to pay for it and you will have control forever.
no, no, I'm not disagreeing, was just pointing out that the use of the term has been affirmed by others involved in ed. issues.
If only there were some "alternative" where we could get parents and students who care, matched up with teachers who care........hmmm
There is -- but those private schools can cost upwards of $40,000 a year in tuitiion.
Stripped of the union and the benefits that people seem to hate soooo much, the best teachers would be fools not to sell their services to the highest bidder. And the highest bidders are usually the well-helled private schools.
yeah, buddy! Amen. 'Bout time we told the teachers we ain't all dim (pun intended...didn't say it was a GOOD pun).
I think she's supporting her right to homeschool, which is a valid alternative in my book.
In my quick and easy solution parents could use their vouchers/education credits for a public school, to subsidize enrollment in a private school, or to buy materials to homeschool.
Although this system would mean even more paperwork and room for meddling by government, state and fed., so I don't really know. But I do know something needs to be done...
if only we had a system where we could elect people to represent us in some sort of organization, we could call it a congress, and these representatives would listen to us and ...ah, heck, that'll never happen.
Who said I got a vaction? I have time off from school in the summer but I have 4 children of my own. 2 are in military service to this country and received a fine education in the public schools. I also have a 3rd grader and a 6th grader, also well above grade level and educated in the public school system of North Carolina. There are good schools out there and good teachers.
Not all teachers who are in the NEA are wacko. How stereotypical can you get? There are several in my school who are in the NEA and they are normal folks who voted REPUBLICAN. Most of the teachers in my school voted for GW.
I believe it was Carl from Alaska who made the slur about lazy teachers not you. You just happened to start the thread that I replied to.
I don't watch Hannity & Colmes but if Hannity is using the
term he lifted it from Boortz.
Vouchers does not threaten her position.
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