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2 (Canadian) Snowbirds crash in Saskatchewan
CBC Online News ^ | December 10, 2004 | CBC Online Staff

Posted on 12/10/2004 9:41:49 AM PST by NorthOf45

2 Snowbirds crash in Saskatchewan

December 10, 2004

MOSSBANK, SASK. - Two Canadian Forces Snowbirds crashed Friday morning while the jets were on a practice flight near Mossbank, Sask.

Air force officials say the jets collided in mid-air during one of their daily training missions.

Early reports say the pilots were able to eject, but there's no word on their condition. Captain Jay Walker of 15 Wing said there was one pilot in each aircraft.

Lt. Andrea Collins said a ground search and rescue team is at the site, located near the town of Ardill.

The Canadian Forces is scheduled to hold a news conference at CFB Moose Jaw later Friday.

All flying training missions at the base have been suspended during the investigation into the crash.

The Snowbirds fly 11 Canadair Tutor aircraft: nine perform as a team in air shows and two other spare jets fill in when the others are down for maintenance or repairs.

The planes were used as training aircraft by the air force until 2000.

Mossbank, about 65 kilometres southwest of Moose Jaw, is home base to the aerobatic team.


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada

1 posted on 12/10/2004 9:41:49 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: Clive

Ping


2 posted on 12/10/2004 9:42:21 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Prayers sent for the pilots and their families.


3 posted on 12/10/2004 9:44:07 AM PST by RJL
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To: Aeronaut

Ping


4 posted on 12/10/2004 9:45:57 AM PST by Squawk 8888
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To: NorthOf45

I am glad that they ejected, now I pray that they will be found safe and sound. Thank you friend from the North


5 posted on 12/10/2004 9:46:27 AM PST by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: NorthOf45

Mossbank is not that far from here.


6 posted on 12/10/2004 9:46:36 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Congratulations President-Re-Elect George W. Bush!)
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To: NorthOf45
Praying that the pilots are ok, but doesn't this accident cut the Canadian air force numbers in half?
7 posted on 12/10/2004 9:49:04 AM PST by b4its2late (Alcohol & calculus don't mix. Never drink & derive.)
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To: Squawk 8888; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

8 posted on 12/10/2004 9:50:19 AM PST by Aeronaut (May all the feckless become fecked.)
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To: NorthOf45

9 posted on 12/10/2004 9:52:00 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NorthOf45

10 posted on 12/10/2004 9:52:55 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: NorthOf45

Saw the Snowbirds as a kid while visiting the Horseshoe Falls. My family was up in the Tower (is it the Skylon?) eating lunch when the Birds flew UNDER us. Back then they appeared to be flying F-4C Phantoms. That kind of gets your attention.


11 posted on 12/10/2004 10:01:35 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: NorthOf45

Wasn't there just a different Snowbirds carsh several months ago?

BTW, I saw a show on the Wings channel about the snowbirds. They fly from show to show. THe funny thing easch of those aircraft have a luggage compartment accessed through a hatch in the side of the nose. It's funny to see a pilot taking his luggage out on arrival.


12 posted on 12/10/2004 10:02:20 AM PST by Oblongata
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To: All
Here's a couple visuals ...




13 posted on 12/10/2004 10:04:16 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Must be terrible to lose the entire Canadian Air Force in one accident...


14 posted on 12/10/2004 10:06:59 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: NorthOf45

It is sad to hear brave Canadians die. They need more up there.


15 posted on 12/10/2004 10:08:22 AM PST by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think (When they are off I am single minded))
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To: Rutles4Ever

Wow, no post is spared from this tripe, is it?


16 posted on 12/10/2004 10:09:00 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: bmwcyle

As of 1:05 EST, reports are still that both pilots ejected. No word on their condition yet.


17 posted on 12/10/2004 10:09:48 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: Oblongata

They're always crashing. Those Tudors are deathtraps. As a matter of fact, the Snowbirds may be gone in a couple of years because service and maintanence costs are so high for these jets (state of the art in 1959. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic), and as they can't afford to buy new ones (even second-hand), they may cancel the whole program. Welcome to Canada, Land of the Free, home of the social-programs-are-more-important-than-being-able-to-defend-ourselves-or-at-least-contribute-to-those-who-do.


18 posted on 12/10/2004 10:10:35 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: NorthOf45

Good!


19 posted on 12/10/2004 10:11:35 AM PST by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think (When they are off I am single minded))
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To: NorthOf45

Still a good looking bird.


20 posted on 12/10/2004 10:13:25 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Agreed...very modern looking.


21 posted on 12/10/2004 10:15:11 AM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: Oblongata

In May, two pilots from 15 Wing escaped from a Hawk training jet before it crashed into a field northwest of the base. Other than that, the last Snowbird incident I believe was in 1998.


22 posted on 12/10/2004 10:18:12 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: Conservative Canuck

Always crashing? When was the last time one crashed?


23 posted on 12/10/2004 10:19:05 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: Rutles4Ever
Must be terrible to lose the entire Canadian Air Force in one accident...

LOL!!

24 posted on 12/10/2004 10:31:02 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: Rutles4Ever
Must be terrible to lose the entire Canadian Air Force in one accident...

LOL!!

25 posted on 12/10/2004 10:31:22 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: Tallguy
The Canadian military, let alone the Snowbirds, never operated Phantoms. They've flown the Tutor since 1978 although 431 used to fly F-86s and CT-33s.


26 posted on 12/10/2004 10:32:53 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Conservative Canuck

From the Snowbirds' website, www.rcaf.com/snowbirds/aircraft.htm comes a list of differences between the Snowbird aircraft and the standard Tutor: "transistorized rather than tube radio to enable communication between planes before engine start"


27 posted on 12/10/2004 10:38:21 AM PST by kilowhskey (Vietnam Veterans Day is November 2nd)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I've always enjoyed watching the Snowbirds. Hopefully these pilots are OK.

The neat thing about the Snowbirds, is that they can put on a very different sort of show because of the nimble little plane and the mere fact that they do nine-plane formations and maneuvers. Gives them some different sorts of options from the four and five plane formations that the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds do.

Always a good show.


28 posted on 12/10/2004 10:39:47 AM PST by Ramius (There's no place like 127.0.0.1)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The F-86 Sabre Jet is still one of the most beautiful planes ever.


29 posted on 12/10/2004 10:43:16 AM PST by RightCanuck
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To: kilowhskey

Sigh. :-(


30 posted on 12/10/2004 11:05:58 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: NorthOf45

Glad they appear to be okay (hopefully they are). You have to love a base named "Moose Jaw".


31 posted on 12/10/2004 11:08:19 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: RightCanuck

"The F-86 Sabre Jet is still one of the most beautiful planes ever."

Absolutely!

At one time, the RCAF had over 1,100 in service!

Some RCAF Sabre images:
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/historical/sabrelst_e.asp


32 posted on 12/10/2004 11:10:25 AM PST by Levante
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To: RightCanuck
The F-86 Sabre Jet is still one of the most beautiful planes ever.

Yes! I once met a fellow who flew them in Korea and who owned one in 1990. He told me they are great flyers too.

33 posted on 12/10/2004 11:10:45 AM PST by Chuckster (I'm celebrating the birth of Christ. Not some generic 'Happy holiday'. MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: NorthOf45

Prayers going out for the pilots having ejected safely!

Some really neat Tutor images:
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/ct-114/tutor1_e.asp


34 posted on 12/10/2004 11:12:41 AM PST by Levante
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To: NorthOf45

Dang - I hope they're okay.

Saw the 'birds when I was a kid. They were pretty cool.

I really hope our friends up North get a clue before their entire military sinks/crashes/whatever. It's pretty sad.


35 posted on 12/10/2004 11:40:26 AM PST by Kommodor (Is it just me or has the Fourth Estate become the Fifth Column?)
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To: NorthOf45

I thought this thread was going to be about old people headed to Florida:') Prayers for the pilots.


36 posted on 12/10/2004 11:44:58 AM PST by CindyDawg (Hey aclu... Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! :'~))
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Come to think of it, I think they were flying T-33's. I think that the Phantoms may have been from the US Airforce Thunderbirds. I don't recall the deep blue paint job of the Blue Angels -- process of elimination.


37 posted on 12/10/2004 12:39:47 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: NorthOf45; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; Ryle; albertabound; mitchbert; ..
CBC reports the following:

Snowbird pilot dies in Saskatchewan crash

Two Canadian Forces Snowbirds crashed in mid-air Friday morning while on a routine practice flight over southern Saskatchewan, killing one pilot and injuring a second

38 posted on 12/10/2004 12:53:49 PM PST by Clive
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To: Clive

Prayers to the family. My heart sinks with this news.


39 posted on 12/10/2004 1:05:05 PM PST by balk
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To: RightCanuck

Right along with the F100.


40 posted on 12/10/2004 5:16:09 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: Clive

Damn


41 posted on 12/10/2004 5:54:42 PM PST by NorthOf45
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To: U S Army EOD

F104 Starfighter, prettiest ever made!


42 posted on 12/10/2004 9:36:25 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're there, thats the best!)
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To: Atchafalaya

I had a neighbor in Aiken, SC who flew one and he would be the first to agree with you. But my favorite of all has got to be the A26. Don't know if you ever saw the movie, "Always", but in it, they were flying A26's.


43 posted on 12/10/2004 10:04:56 PM PST by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.I)
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To: U S Army EOD

I know what you are talking about, pretty plane and fast too for it's time. Wasn't it built by Martin?


44 posted on 12/11/2004 7:14:32 AM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're there, thats the best!)
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To: Atchafalaya

Hi Atchafalaya:

The Starfighter was built by Lockheed:

http://www.jetplanes.co.uk/f104.html

Cheers!
Levante


45 posted on 12/13/2004 3:49:11 AM PST by Levante
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To: All

Here's a follow-up:

'Shocking' Snowbird Rescue Wait
With loss of helicopters to budget cuts, race to fallen airmen took 47 minutes.

http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=07129522-f985-4e91-a0be-d363168e0404


46 posted on 12/13/2004 9:27:18 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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To: NorthOf45

Sad news, NorthOf45.

I hope the pilots made it out of their planes and are retreived safely.

I've seen the Snowbirds fly at several Air Shows at Andrews AFB.

They put on a much better show than the Thunderbirds!

Jack.


47 posted on 12/13/2004 9:30:56 AM PST by Jack Deth (When In Doubt.... Empty The Magazine!)
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To: NorthOf45

And these ar just the fatalities. At least twice a year there's an incident where the pilot has to eject.

Lest We Forget:

The Snowbirds are well-known for their skill, but they are not immune to tragedy. Five Snowbird pilots have lost their lives in the performance of their duty. We remember them! Every Snowbird performance is a tribute to these men ... and to all the men and women of the Canadian Forces 431 Air Demonstration Squadron who have dedicated themselves to excellence.

Capt Lloyd Waterer, Snowbird #8 Lead Solo
Killed during an airshow in Trenton Ontario 1972 Age 24


Capt Gordon de Jong, Snowbird #8 Lead Solo
Killed during an airshow in Grand Prairie, AB 1978 Age 32


Capt Wes Mackay, Snowbird #8 Lead Solo
Killed in a motor vehicle accident Pennsylvania 1988 Age 28


Capt Shane Antaya, Snowbird #2 Inner Right Wing
Killed during an airshow in Toronto Ontario 1989 (CNE) Age 26


Capt Michael VandenBos, Snowbird #2 Inner Right Wing
Killed during a training mission Moose Jaw December 10, 1998 Age 29


Capt Miles Selby, Snowbird #8 Opposing Solo
Killed during a training mission Moose Jaw December 10, 2004 Age 31

http://www.rcaf.com/snowbirds/


48 posted on 12/13/2004 9:35:45 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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