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He lost an arm in Iraq; the Army wants money
Record online ^ | December 10, 2004 | Dianna Cahn

Posted on 12/10/2004 12:33:46 PM PST by Fyscat

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To: JoeV1
While it is regrettable that this brave soldier lost his arm, how does that entitle him to keep monies that were paid to him in error?

How did he know they were in error? Maybe since he got his arm blown off he thought he was entitled to it? It was there error, not his, why should he have to be responsible for their mistakes?

61 posted on 12/10/2004 1:16:34 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: Pookyhead

Sorry, ran a search but with no avail.


62 posted on 12/10/2004 1:17:41 PM PST by Fyscat
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To: Old Professer

Old...Deskbound army......seen them by the dozens, paper shuffling burrowcrats and a few reside here on FR.


63 posted on 12/10/2004 1:18:02 PM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: af_vet_1981; Fyscat

Middletown isn't in Hinchey's district.


64 posted on 12/10/2004 1:21:07 PM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: muawiyah

I think my posts have been specific and that you had to ask something I already addressed seems to indicate a misperception on your part of exactly what I'm saying here.

Let me break it down simply: I had no problem with the question, I had no problem with the answer, I have lots of problems with the media.


65 posted on 12/10/2004 1:21:16 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: monday

My point is that the allowance (do we know whether it was FSA Type I or II?) is payable on a monthly basis to all soldiers in Loria's unit with the same qualifications. If the Army is certain that he received it but was not eligible, then all soldiers in his unit with the same qualifications were not eligible.

He and his supervisors should have been aware of the overpayment long before he was injured.

If there was no overpayment - and I see nowhere where that is the case - then why did the Army try to recoup the overpayment in the first place?

Hj
SFC, USA (Ret)

FYI, from http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2005paycharts/a/fsa.htm

Family Separation Allowance Type II

Type II FSA provides compensation for added expenses incurred because of an enforced family separation under any one of the following conditions:

1. Transportation of dependents (including dependent acquired after effective date of orders), is not authorized at government expense and the dependents do not live in the vicinity of the member's home port/permanent duty station.

2. The member is on duty aboard a ship, and the ship is away from the homeport continuously for more than 30 days.

3. The member is on TDY (or temporary additional duty) away from the permanent station continuously for more than 30 days, and the member's dependents are not residing at or near the TDY station. This includes members who are required to perform a period of the TDY before reporting to their initial station of assignment (such as basic training and technical school/AIT/A-School).

The amount of FSA Type II, payable is $250.00 per month.


66 posted on 12/10/2004 1:22:19 PM PST by HiJinx ( www.ProudPatriots.com ~ Operation Valentine's Day)
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To: SwordofTruth

Sometimes when you call to track paperwork you field, you are told where it went.


67 posted on 12/10/2004 1:22:27 PM PST by Darksheare (Hey! This troll tastes like Arugala! I HATE arugala!)
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To: SwordofTruth
No he's not, how the heck did he know he wasn't entitled to that money.

Ahhh, the exuberance of youth is wasted on the young. As Bob Seger is fond of saying, "I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."

68 posted on 12/10/2004 1:24:10 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

It looks like most of the posters here missed that little part about "overpayment of Family Separation Pay" amounting to $2,408. He got his LES each month and knew what the money was for. He spent it and tried to get out. When his pay records were audited he was caught and had to pay up.

Life is hard.

They should have let him go with his pay and deducted $100 a month from his disability pay for two years.


69 posted on 12/10/2004 1:25:08 PM PST by PeteB570
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To: SpyGuy

"While it is regrettable that this brave soldier lost his arm, how does that entitle him to keep monies that were paid to him in error?

Ding, ding! We have a winner folks! A voice of rational thinking in a post awash with emotional outcries!"

The Army clearly screwed up, he isnt living w/ his wife so sep pay applies. Transportation from base to hospitol is Army's bill as well. Hell, I got 2k for travel pay after I got out.


70 posted on 12/10/2004 1:25:22 PM PST by Fyscat
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To: Fyscat
$2,408.33 for 10 months of family separation pay that the Army erroneously paid Loria after he'd returned stateside, as a patient at Walter Reed

The family was together in the hospital at Walter Reed?

71 posted on 12/10/2004 1:29:52 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: PeteB570
It looks like most of the posters here missed that little part about "overpayment of Family Separation Pay" amounting to $2,408.

Being in a military hospital over 1000 miles away from home he is STILL separated from his family. I can see why he thought he was entitled to it; I mean he did have more pressing concerns with just losing and arm and all.

72 posted on 12/10/2004 1:29:58 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: Fyscat

Oh yeah, he DID lose half a arm so you could be critical. Cut 'em some slack.


73 posted on 12/10/2004 1:30:27 PM PST by Fyscat
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To: PeteB570

It's the friggin Defense Department! You know better than to suggest a sensible solution.


74 posted on 12/10/2004 1:31:08 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: PeteB570
Life is hard.

You should know because you lost both legs, right?

75 posted on 12/10/2004 1:31:25 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: cyncooper

I'm glad you picked up on that. They first asked Rep. Hinchey and Sen. Clinton, but only Rep. Hinchey responded. Cant tell from the articles when they approached Sen. Schumer, but Chuck did intervene on the soldier's behalf. So where is Hillary?


76 posted on 12/10/2004 1:31:30 PM PST by Attillathehon
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To: jagwinder
"...our PRESIDENT is busy glorifying Kofi Kup-Annan."

How so? Do you have a link to the article that backs up yer charge?

FReegards...MUD

77 posted on 12/10/2004 1:34:50 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: Fyscat
Just another snafu.

(Just remember the origin of the word SNAFU was with the Army. Some things never change.)

78 posted on 12/10/2004 1:38:42 PM PST by Lurking in Kansas (;&ôÀžUñj/ÈëžÕ “ ’· ....If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand)
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To: HiJinx

I got overpaid once and got a $9.54 check for one pay period. Luckily i was aware of the situation and didnt spend the money. unfortunatly it is an all too common problem in the military especially during deployments or unusual circumstances such as quick transfers or command advancement. however each and every soldier/sailor/marine is repeatedly told during bootcamp and beyond that they are solely responsible for their pay and that if you are overpaid you will be held responsible for the overpayment. while i feel bad that it happened to someone who was already going through a tough time, it still wasnt his money. further more, there are always avenues to pursue before getting outside intervention such as talking to disbursing they will set up a schedual of repayment in most cases.


79 posted on 12/10/2004 1:41:25 PM PST by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: jagwinder
God. My blood keeps boiling. Our soldiers are becoming maimed and homeless and our PRESIDENT is busy glorifying Kofi Kup-Annan.

Hope Bush is just playing a "mind game" with the liberals.

The UN should be moved to some remote island on the equator... not that I have anything against remote islands on the equator...

80 posted on 12/10/2004 1:44:32 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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