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New votes emerge in recount (Washington state recount)
Seattle Times ^ | 12/10

Posted on 12/10/2004 1:55:06 PM PST by ambrose

New votes emerge in recount

By Andrew Garber

Seattle Times staff reporter

OLYMPIA ? New votes are turning up in the governor's race around the state as election workers find ballots that were never counted, punch cards with problem chads and optical scan ballots that weren't marked properly.

In Whatcom County, for example, election workers found seven unopened, uncounted ballots that had earlier been accidentally put in a wrong pile.

The numbers are small, a few votes here and there, but with only 42 votes separating Republican Gov.-elect Dino Rossi and Democrat Christine Gregoire, even small changes like the one in Whatcom could affect the outcome.

Rossi picked up more votes than Gregoire yesterday as counties rushed to meet the state deadline to start the recount process of almost 3 million ballots. It's Washington's first statewide hand recount

The results have little meaning until the state's larger counties begin reporting. King County, with almost 900,000 ballots, isn't expected to finish counting until Dec. 22.

The state Democratic Party, which is paying for the effort, said the fact that new votes are turning up proves the need for a hand recount. After the first count, Rossi was ahead by 261 votes, a lead that shrank to 42 votes after a statewide machine recount.

Republican leaders have repeatedly urged Gregoire to concede, but she's maintained the race is too close. Her campaign and the Democratic Party said a second recount, this one by hand, was needed to determine the winner.

"With the margin between the candidates as small as it is, each one of these [votes] is incredibly significant," said Kirstin Brost, a spokeswoman for the party. "We want the public to know that this is worthwhile, and this is making a difference and is a valid effort."

Rossi spokeswoman Mary Lane said, "Dino doesn't oppose a hand recount. It's all water over the dam now. We're in the middle of it. I don't know why the Democrats keep harping on the issue.

"Our hope is just that the hand recount can go forward by the rules that have been set in the state for years. We just don't want the rules to be changed midway through simply because Christine Gregoire didn't like the results of the first two counts."

In addition to getting a hand recount, Democrats filed a lawsuit in the state Supreme Court seeking to compel county canvassing boards to reconsider thousands of ballots rejected in the first two counts because of problems such as signatures that did not match.

The party contends there aren't adequate statewide standards for ballot counting and that voters were disenfranchised because election officials chose "expediency over accuracy and equality."

Republicans, in their own court filing, argue Democrats want to set a "dangerous precedent" by asking courts to "change the rules for an election after it has occurred."

The Supreme Court has set a hearing on the Democrats' lawsuit for Monday at 1:30 p.m.

In the meantime, the recount goes on.

King County finished sorting about 334,000 poll ballots by precinct yesterday in preparation for the start of hand counting this morning. Counting will be done in a Boeing Field office building by 80 teams of three workers: a Republican, a Democrat and someone from the county's regular list of temporary election workers.

Workers at a separate Sodo location are continuing the laborious task of sorting 564,000 absentee ballots into 17 legislative districts and then into 2,616 precincts.

Perhaps the biggest surprise of the day was in Whatcom County, where seven provisional ballots had accidentally been placed in a pile of empty envelopes. The ballots were found when workers were alphabetizing the envelopes, said Shirley Forslof, the county auditor.

The new ballots were counted: three for Rossi, two for Gregoire, one for Libertarian candidate Ruth Bennett and one nonvote, Forslof said. The count in Whatcom County should be completed around Dec. 22, she said.

Although no other uncounted votes were reported yesterday, several counties have added votes to their tallies in the past two days.

Skamania County added three votes for Rossi and one for Gregoire after workers discovered some voters had lightly colored in their votes with pencils instead of pens on the optical scan ballots. As a result, the votes were not recognized in previous machine counts.

In Mason County, which reported its results on Wednesday, several additional votes were picked up when workers looked at punch cards and either found chads that had been punched but not counted by the machine, or noticed a voter had otherwise marked their intent on the card.

And in Wahkiakum County, Rossi lost one vote, bringing his final tally there back to where it was before the first recount, 1,099 votes to Gregoire's 993.

Why?

"I don't know," said Diane Tischer, the county auditor.

"We had two-person counting boards and they both agreed to all the ballots. So I couldn't tell you why we're back to the original [count]."

Andrew Garber: 360-943-9882 or agarber@seattletimes.com. Seattle Times reporters Keith Ervin and David Postman contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: countallthevotes; demelectiontheft; dinorossi; handjive; handjob; intent; recount; stealallthevotes; voterintent
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1 posted on 12/10/2004 1:55:06 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose

BTTT


2 posted on 12/10/2004 1:57:44 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: ambrose
After the first count, Rossi was ahead by 261 votes, a lead that shrank to 42 votes after a statewide machine recount.

And (blue) King County added some more ballots in that "re"count...

3 posted on 12/10/2004 2:02:28 PM PST by sionnsar († trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || All I want for Christmas is a legitimate governor.)
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To: ambrose

In Whatcom County, for example, election workers found seven unopened, uncounted ballots that had earlier been accidentally put in a wrong pile.

I'm suspicious. Were these 7 votes for the Democrat candidate? If so, the RATs are bringing in votes in their pockets and purses.


4 posted on 12/10/2004 2:03:00 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: ambrose
In Mason County, which reported its results on Wednesday, several additional votes were picked up when workers looked at punch cards and either found chads that had been punched but not counted by the machine, or noticed a voter had otherwise marked their intent on the card.

Noticed that a voter had otherwise marked their intent....what the heck does that mean?

Did they write a candidate's name on the punch card?

5 posted on 12/10/2004 2:03:27 PM PST by dawn53
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To: BushisTheMan

"In Whatcom County, for example, election workers found seven unopened, uncounted ballots that had earlier been accidentally put in a wrong pile."

Sandy Berger doing more pants-stuffing?


6 posted on 12/10/2004 2:05:09 PM PST by NRA1995 (Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan and I think yer gonna fin'lly understand)
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To: BushisTheMan

It does sound VERY suspicious.


7 posted on 12/10/2004 2:06:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: ambrose

FloriDUH, now WashingTOON?


8 posted on 12/10/2004 2:08:09 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: The SISU kid

The Democrat's mantra - keep counting until you like the outcome. The real crime is that the entire nation - both Dems and Repubs know that they are cheating in every way possible and yet the press keeps up the act that this is all in the name of "making every vote count."


9 posted on 12/10/2004 2:08:13 PM PST by onevoter
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To: ambrose

Shocking


10 posted on 12/10/2004 2:08:18 PM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: sionnsar

It is my understanding that some ballots were 'adjusted' for the intention of the voter.


11 posted on 12/10/2004 2:10:23 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: ambrose

We can kiss the Washington statehouse goodbye. Does anyone really believe that the Rats aren't going to somehow "win" this one? The only good thing that might come out of it is that a few of the centrist zombies in the state might wake up and realize that the Dems are the thieves, liars, and traitors that they truly are.


12 posted on 12/10/2004 2:10:30 PM PST by Syco
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To: ambrose
punch cards with problem chads and optical scan ballots that weren't marked properly.

Uh, shouldn't these ballots be thrown out?

13 posted on 12/10/2004 2:11:28 PM PST by My2Cents (To those inclined to receive it, "Merry Christmas!" To those NOT so inclined, "Bah Humbug!")
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To: ambrose
In Whatcom County, for example, election workers found seven unopened, uncounted ballots that had earlier been accidentally put in a wrong pile.

Gregoire won that county, for what that's worth...

14 posted on 12/10/2004 2:11:36 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('Hate' is just a special kind of Love we give to people who suck.)
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To: ambrose

Here it comes. The party of fraud will win again -- in the only way they can anymore.


15 posted on 12/10/2004 2:16:45 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: ambrose

"We just don't want the rules to be changed midway through ..."

Rossi "doesn't want" .. the USSC said NO! Do we have to go through that again. The USSC has already determined that elections rules CANNOT BE CHANGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION.


16 posted on 12/10/2004 2:23:11 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: BushisTheMan
I'm suspicious. Were these 7 votes for the Democrat candidate?

The story specifically says:

"The new ballots were counted: three for Rossi, two for Gregoire, one for Libertarian candidate Ruth Bennett and one nonvote, Forslof said."

It's OK to bring your own suspicions to the story, but not when they are contradicted by the facts. So far, the recount has generally shown a gain of about 1 ballot per 1,000-2,000 previously counted, pretty much in proportion to the original count. That has led to a Rossi gain of 20 so far. What will happen in King is still the big question. See the numerical analysis at soundpolitics.com

17 posted on 12/10/2004 2:25:52 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Chad Fairbanks
What we have here is Rossi picking up a net gain in the small counties-- plus two here, minus one there, plus four somewhere else. Then when it is all done, except King County, the RATS will create, I'm guessing, just enough votes to win by 70 or 80 votes statewide.

People will need to understand that once RATS are voted into power, it will take more than 51% to vote them out.

18 posted on 12/10/2004 2:31:18 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: BohDaThone

So what happens if Rossi loses this recount? Will they be counted again? Theoretically, the counts could change every time the votes are recounted, due to human error if nothing else.


19 posted on 12/10/2004 2:43:10 PM PST by Old North State
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To: BohDaThone

So what happens if Rossi loses this recount? Will they be counted again? Theoretically, the counts could change every time the votes are recounted, due to human error if nothing else.


20 posted on 12/10/2004 2:43:43 PM PST by Old North State
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