PAJAMAHADEEN ALERT: Facts on Humvee Armor Big Media Ignores

[Doctor Raoul]

See the following articles:

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_10.html

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/203200_armor10.html

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m998.htm

From those articles and webpages, here's some facts:

19,400 Humvees in Iraq
5,900 were shipped from factory with armor
9,000 upgraded with kits in theater

TODAY 77% of Humvees in Iraq are armored


Unarmored Humvees aren't supposeed to go off base.
Unarmored Humvees travel between bases on a flatbed truck.

Of 9,386 armor kits shipped to Iraq, 9,143 have been installed.
That's 97% installed, only 3% to go.

There are at least 16 varients of the Humvee:

M998 cargo/troop carrier without winch
M1038 cargo/troop carrier with winch
M966 TOW missile carrier, basic armor, without winch
M1036 TOW missile carrier, basic armor, with winch
M1045 TOW missile carrier, supplemental armor, without winch
M1046 TOW missile carrier, supplemental armor, with winch
M1025 armament carrier, basic armor, without winch
M1026 armament carrier, basic armor, with winch
M1043 armament carrier, supplemental armor, without winch
M1044 armament carrier, supplemental armor, with winch
M996 mini-ambulance, 2-litter, basic armor
M997 maxi-ambulance, 4-litter, basic armor
M1035 soft-top ambulance, 2-litter
M1037 S-250 shelter carrier, without winch
M1042 S-250 shelter carrier, with winch
M1069 tractor for M119 105-mm light gun

FROM THE SEATTLE TIMES ARTICLE:

The Humvees to be factory-armored by O'Gara-Hess have some different specifications than the models shipped without armor, Woodward said. So increasing production requires careful planning.

"It's not like making a Big Mac," he said. "There are so many configurations. ... You can't just whip them through like a big grill in a McDonald's."

Today on Rush's show, he had a caller that swears she knows people that are buying steel locally there in the Pacific Northwest and sending it by UPS to soldiers in Iraq.

I called UPS. They will ship to Iraq, but you have to pick up your shippment at their offices in Baghdad or Basra. They don't deliver to anyone's door.

Also, length, width and height can't total more than 165 inches.

The weight limit on packages to Iraq, 150 lbs.

Yeah, ship armor plate by UPS, that'll work.

Here's the phone number 1-800-782-7892 - Intl. Export / Import Services, press "0" to get a person.

A caller to Dom Giordano's show last night had three very good observations. The handwringing liberals posture this as "if you only cared enough, people wouldn't die" even in a war.

He also said it depended on believing that people in the Pentagon would put $$$ before a soldier's life.

Last, he noted that the HMMWV replced the jeep and that no one would expect even an armored jeep to do what we have armored HMMWVs doing.

Rock Island Arsenal has a piece of this according to the caller and LTC Scott Rutter USA(Ret) and that Durbin's backyard. Obviously those take more time to reach the soldiers than those modified in theater.

Is Durbin a hypocrite for saying anything while he protects the pork at home?

[Wolverine]

 

Four door armor and blast kit, chassis model M1025

[Mo1]

Here is the transcript

Secretary Rumsfeld Town Hall Meeting in Kuwait (entire transcript)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1299325/posts

[JLO]

Bump!

[mylife]

Today on Rush's show, he had a caller that swears she knows people that are buying steel locally there in the Pacific Northwest and sending it by UPS to soldiers in Iraq.

I called UPS. They will ship to Iraq, but you have to pick up your shippment at their offices in Baghdad or Basra. They don't deliver to anyone's door.

Also, length, width and height can't total more than 165 inches.

The weight limit on packages to Iraq, 150 lbs.

Yeah, ship armor plate by UPS, that'll work.

I heard that caller! She was a total whack job! It was all Rush could do to keep from telling her so.

[newzjunkey]

Can I get one of those for rush hour traffic?

[nopardons]

LOL

[FBD]

yeah, I'm bettin' that at 10,000 lbs plus; your milege would be about what...6?

[stand watie]

the TRUTH is that "armor" on hummvees & other similar vehicles creates a FALSE sense of security.

can you imagine an armored gasoline tanker?????

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

WELL SAID!

free dixie,sw

[x1stcav]

Uh, actually, I was a 'ground-pounder'.

I didn't have one of these ( actually had an M151, on and off again).

I didn't whine either. wouldnn't have done no good.

I remembered my father's and uncle's stories abotu the big one, WW2, and Korea.

THEY suffered real privation.

[spodefly]

BTTT

[FreedomCalls]

Did armor help here?

[pray4liberty]

The media loves this, of course, because it feeds into their Vietnam prototype for reporting failure and quagmire.

Simple solution. The new Iraqi government can simply kick the media out of their country. They don't have a First Amendment. Sorry.

[MissAmericanPie]

bttt

[Auntie Dem]

"...This feeds into a fortress mentality (can you say basecamp?) where the name of the game is to "survive" the war vice win it."

Wasn't it General Patton who said "Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."?

[Psycho_Bunny]

 

Mujahideen (مجاهدين; also transliterated as mujāhidīn, mujahedeen, mujahedin, mujahidin, mujaheddin, etc.) is a plural form of mujahid (مجاهد), which literally translates from Arabic as "struggler", someone who engages in jihad, or "struggle", but is often translated as "holy warrior". In the late twentieth century, the term "mujahideen" became popular in the media to describe various armed fighters who subscribe to Islamic ideologies, although there is not always an explicit "holy" or "warrior" meaning within the word.

 

Does "Pajamahadeen" sound like a derivative word you want to label yourself with?

[185JHP]

Dishonest posturing is the default setting for the nastiest people in Congress...

[SFC Chromey]

an up-armored Humvee M1114 weighs 2000 lbs more than an unarmored one, resulting in sluggish performance, stabilty/suspension issues, increased wear and tear, etc.

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I don't know where you get your facts from, but the M-1114's are faster than a standard m-1025, because of the supercharged engine. The only parts that seem to wear out rapidly are the tires, because it weighs nearly 2.5 tons.

Trust me on this I'm an MP, spent 6 months driving 1025's and 7 months driving the 1114's. I would take a 1114 ANY DAY! (Not just because it has a/c!)

[SFC Chromey]

I think what you are referring to is an M-1025/1026 with a armor kit bolted on. Yes we had those too. The kits add a LOT of weight, and it DOES wear down the parts etc... but, they worked. My company lost 0 soldiers in 13 months because of the armor plating.

[SFC Chromey]

We're trying to replace tactics with a false sense of security IMO. Polidiots need to let our folks engage and eliminate the threat vs existing in a hardened facility or vehicle among the threat.

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Well, again I say it that 'false sense of security' kept all 165 soldiers in my MP company alive for 13 months. Worst we suffered was a gunner had a minor shrapnel wound, some concussions, that is all.

The M-1114's are fantastic, and I would take on any time.