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A strategy to pursue? And it is fun to boot.

Posted on 12/11/2004 9:25:17 PM PST by Terr

Here is what I think some of our strategy should be in order to ensure Democrat party's disarray:

1. The DP activists are in a tizzy about the "election fraud". They are all tangled up in "statistical analysis" of the election results and exit polls that they think "proves" that there was fraud, are pushing recounts, etc. This is good and should be encouraged. Let them recount and "crunch numbers" - it is harmless, will not change anything, and keeps them concentrated on the past. Even better, it keeps them frustrated, because they are so sure that fraud happened, but cannot find any proof of it (since none exists).

2. Keep this "fraud" hysteria going. Infiltrate their forums, like democraticunderground.com and push the fraud theory. We already have some people flooding that forum with bogus "statistical analysis" posts. Support these people when you see them. Keep telling Democrats on these forums that there is no way that Bush could have won without fraud, that the exit polls were right, that mathematics show that there is a trillion to one chance that the election results were legitimate etc. The more their activists sink into the morass of despair over how they were "cheated out of the presidency" the less actual thinking and planning they will be doing for their political future.

3. There are some clear thinkers among the Democrats, even on du.com. They may turn the thinking towards future elections, political strategies, etc. Disrupt that. Accuse them of being "freepers" for daring to think there was no fraud. Promote the idea that anyone who does not believe in the "fraud" meme is a stooge of the Republicans. With enough attacks, this will either convert them into the "fraud" brigade, or drive them away - either way, a plus.

4. Longer term, the "fraud" advocates will not go away. These people are so married to that idea that nothing will convince them. Encourage that. Since no proof of fraud exists, they will go deep into conspiratorial theories. Encourage that. People who think that way will be discouraged from general political activism - hell, why vote if "they" will cheat you out of the vote anyway, right? With luck, we can extend this all the way to 2008 elections.

5. The hatred of Bush - this is very useful. Keep fanning it. Their hatred is what lost them these elections, and their hatred, if maintained, will extend their losing streak. Post inflammatory anti-Bush rhetoric. Start threads with topics like "How much do you hate Bush?" and "I hate him, I just hate him". Don't shrink from the task. The more they hate, the more they will lose.

So - go to it. Don't underestimate the power of a well-placed conspiracy theory, it may work wonders in despiriting the other camp.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; du; fraud
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1 posted on 12/11/2004 9:25:18 PM PST by Terr
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To: Terr

You forgot to make fun of red states at every possible attempt, and at the same time to disparage Christianity whenever possible.


2 posted on 12/11/2004 9:30:51 PM PST by TehBadPlace
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To: TehBadPlace

You are so right about that!

And while you are at it, have a go at traditional family values.

The intellectual effete elite of the left are so detached from REALITY it's amusing.


3 posted on 12/11/2004 9:34:59 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Terr

I know this is humor, but it's generally a bad idea to encourage crazy people in their delusions, for all sorts of reasons.


4 posted on 12/11/2004 9:38:55 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Happygal; Terr

And while you're at it, tell them you're gay, and you and your partner are afraid of being sent away to camps, like Hitler did to Jews and other dissenters, so we HAVE to work as hard as we can to overturn the results of this election.


5 posted on 12/11/2004 9:42:21 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Snappy, witty, humerous tagline needed! Will pay in Marlboro Miles...)
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To: Terr

Do not let the DNC, et al, know that the world is changing. We don't want them thinking they can become a part of it. Unless, of course, they themselves change. Drastically.

Anyone notice, the almost deafening silence.....? From all the cacophony of the dins and wails of the election campaign months? Sure, they crunch numbers and bawl about fraud, while we LOL, but, comparatively, its like .... nearly peaceful around here.... :)


6 posted on 12/11/2004 9:43:57 PM PST by onyx eyes (.... Fly over country.... fly over but dont even think you can make us turn blue....)
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To: Terr
I for one, will not take your advice.

The Democrats will decide their own future.

They will get neither help nor hindrance from me.

To me, it is not a matter of disrupting Democrats.

I will spend my time supporting Republicans and increasing our majority.

In other words, take a positive approach, going negative is a mistake.

7 posted on 12/11/2004 9:45:19 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Actually, Veritatis, I am quite serious. If we go about it right, we will cripple the Democrats politically for a decade or more. If the "fraud" issue does not die (and I hope it won't, no matter how many recounts come back in line with election results), the left side of the Democrat party will seethe and whine about the rest of the party "betraying" them, and may vote for the next few election cycles for Greens, since they are in the forefront of the "fraud investigations" right now. Then, when the Democrats lose again and again, it will only be (in their minds) further "proof" that the election system is rigged etc etc. The beauty is, after a while it becomes self-perpetuating. We just have to give it a little boost now.

There are people working on it right now, in DU and other forums. But the more the merrier - come join in the fun.


8 posted on 12/11/2004 9:48:53 PM PST by Terr
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To: All

For an alternate glance on what the left/far left is up to, read this forum.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=50009562&f=28609695

In case the above link doesn't work, go to www.arstechnica.com, click on open forum and then scroll down to soap box. If you want to see the right marginalized and insulted and traditional American values, as well as America herself insulted, this is your place.

As a side item, they aren't the biggest fans of Israel either. They posted threads with titles such as:

Yassar Arafat: A true peacemaker
Saddam doesn't look so guilty after all

All in all, a place of delusion worthy of study.


9 posted on 12/11/2004 9:50:47 PM PST by TehBadPlace
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To: smoothsailing; Terr
I am in total agreement with smoothsailing, and I highly recommend to leave the Democrats to their own demise. If Conservatives stoop to the level of fanning the fire, aren't we exactly what many people despise about the DNC?

Conservatives are best to spend their time putting an end to these ridiculous count and recount scenarios. If this continues on election after election, we will soon find ourselves hand-counting every ballot on election day; once by election officials and again by the Democrats before the results will be final.

Isn't it simply wiser to promote and work toward a stronger Republican party, than to focus on petty tricks on the Democrats?
10 posted on 12/11/2004 10:25:21 PM PST by borntobeagle (Christians are not anti-sinners, Christians are anti-sin)
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To: Theresawithanh

Yeah, here's spme links to use: http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration.htm

http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/5561_comment.php

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

Those'll make 'em wet their beds, or nuthin' will...


11 posted on 12/11/2004 10:28:18 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Terr

OH! Like they can read and makes sense of anything.... (@¿@) <---{rolls eyes}


12 posted on 12/11/2004 10:31:35 PM PST by dzzrtrock (When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat (Ronald Reagan))
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To: borntobeagle

I respectfully disagree. There is no way to "put an end to count and recount" - because it is easy to request, and because there will always be the fringe that wants them. If there is no way to stop it, let's use it. Frankly, the scenario I described will most probably happen by itself, but I don't see any problems in nudging it along.

As for "fanning the fire" - to "fan" it, there has to be "fire" there to begin with. The entire left wing of the Democrats is rotten to the core with hatred and suspicion. I think it is actually healthy to fan the flames that would consume it.


13 posted on 12/11/2004 10:32:33 PM PST by Terr
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To: Terr

Look, there are very few people on DU that are involved in this recount fiasco and they are as crazy as loons. Let them have their fantasy. I would rather they be doing this than going Oswald on GW. There are some seriously deranged individuals over there.


14 posted on 12/11/2004 10:37:31 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: Terr
" If we go about it right, we will cripple the Democrats politically for a decade or more. "

While nobody likes a good laugh more than me....well actually most people like a good laugh more than me, but that's beside the point... I don't see the benefit of crippling the Democratic Party. The DUnderheads who support bringing European socialism to the US are not going to go away just because their party is in chaos. They will merge with some other party like the Green Party or Libertarian Party or Reform Party or Natural Law Party or even start a new party if the Democrats lose too much power.

I think the wisest course is for us to continue to spread our ideas of supply-side economics, strict constructionism, personal responsibility, a strong national defense, and everything else that wins us elections until our opponents' ideas are no longer taken seriously.

Remember, we are ALWAYS going to have many opponents to our ideals, but in the future we can't predict what party they'll belong to.
15 posted on 12/11/2004 10:38:22 PM PST by spinestein (Intolerance will not be tolerated !)
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To: borntobeagle
Well, shucks, Thanks.

The whole point of success, is to expand that which you have gained.


16 posted on 12/11/2004 10:40:58 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: Terr
Be careful here; in 2000 there were four, or six, I don't recall exactly, House members who voted to challenge electoral college votes for a few states. No Senator picked up on it.

If one House member and one Senator challenges the electoral vote of a state, then the issue gets voted on by both houses.

Last time no Senator picked up on the House actions- but if there is the perception of fraud and the appearance of enough public outcry then there may be one or two Senators who will vote along with a few House members to challenge the electoral vote for Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, and perhaps some others.

People are not spending hundreds of thousands for recounts in Ohio for nothing- they expect return on their dollar.
Perception and appearance count for a bunch in the American media.

Fanning these flames may have unintended consequences.
17 posted on 12/11/2004 10:44:57 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Texasforever
These people may be few, but you see that they do, in fact, have some influence on the Democratic Party. Conyers held his hearings to throw them a bone, for example. If the "flames are fanned", there will be more of them and the bones thrown to them will grow proportionately larger.

This will (hopefully) keep Democrats with their view directed to the past elections, unable to grow politically, always whining about past elections, discouraged about the future ones and constantly striving to appease the strident left wing that would be threatening to bolt to the Greens (and thus marginalizing the whole party). That's exactly the way I would like them to be. Wouldn't you?
18 posted on 12/11/2004 10:49:09 PM PST by Terr
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To: Terr
Look, I am not prone to be suspicious of people but your sign-up date coupled with the almost immediate posting of your strategy on DU by another newbie, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x143657, makes me wonder what is going on. Let them have their delusions. They don't need us to help them hold on to it. They are ABSOLUTLY convinced that this election was stolen and they will be screaming about it for the next 4 years. Their madness needs no re-enforcement.
19 posted on 12/11/2004 10:55:28 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: DBrow
DBrow, that would actually be one of the best things to happen. If even one D senator joins in this challenge, Democrats as a party would be perceived as supporting the tin-foil fraud conspiracy theories (and face it, they are tin-foil conspiracy theories, and the recount will not narrow Bush's margin significantly in OH), even if it would be unfair to do so because of only one senator.

Once they are perceived that way, they are gone. They will become as marginalized as the Greens and Libertarians are. (Don't get me wrong, I love the LP - but they are the fringe). And if that happens - it is RP reign for the next 20 years until another alternative (most probably from RP ranks itself) would present itself.
20 posted on 12/11/2004 10:55:46 PM PST by Terr
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