Posted on 12/12/2004 6:00:15 AM PST by Libloather
Sorry to point this out, but unless you have some sort of subtle reasoning that isn't obvious to me, your calculations aren't correct.
The EV is 286-252. If the President had lost Ohio and all of the other states remained unchanged, W would have 266 and sKerry would have 272.
The 20 Ohio votes would not simply disappear.
What I found strange, other than Effin' Kerry winning Iowa after being in third place a day before, was how Big Media picked Ohio to be SO close and important for Effin' Kerry about six months out from the election. New Jersey was supposed to be in play for Dubya. Hawaii popped up at the last minute. But no state had so much attention paid to it like Ohio did. Even Floriduh wasn't paid attention to as much because it was supposed to have had it's problems fixed from the 2000 debacle.
I thought something was fishy from the beginning...
If the Republican Nominee is Betty Montgomery then I for one will vote for whomever the Democrats nominate.
The pimpster didn't finish.
"We cannot live with fraud and stealing that doesn't go our way"
Betty Montgomery has been attorney general of the state. She has been fairly quiet as far as statewide visibility. I don't know whether she is even very conservative or not. If she is a candidate it will be because the party insiders decided it is her turn. Sort of a Bob Dole thing.
Blackwell has of course had a lot of statewide publicity, and in a primary I would think he would be the favorite.
If anyone would like to dend the good Mr Arnebeck an email, his addy is arnebeck@aol.com
The Ohio Legislature, as do all of the other States in the Union uses the popular vote of the People of the State to allocate its 20 Electoral College votes. The Ohio Legislature determined that it would assign ALL of its alloted Federal Electoral College votes to the winner of the Federal general election held in November of this year. The popular vote totals were certified by the Ohio Secretary of State, Mr. Blackwell and the Bush slate of 20 Ohio Electoral votes for President Bush was chosen and will be voted tommorrow in Columbus, Ohio on Monday December 13th. The Governor of the State of Ohio will authenticate both the Certificates of Ascertainment and Certificates of Votes with his signature and the State Seal. These documents and their certified copies will then be transmitted to the multiple appropriate authorities in Washington, D.C as required by Fedral statute.
Given the problems with the presidential election of 1876 between the winner Hayes(R) and Tilden(D) Federal Statues were enacted which ensured that there would be no contesting of a States electoral votes transmitted to the Federal Capitol if said electors were determined six days prior to their meeting in their State capitol to vote in the Electoral College. This is the so-called 'safe-harbor' provision adopted by the 45th Congress still holds sway today. All Congresses since the 45th are still bound to honor this law, so the Bush slate of electors votes transmitted must be accepted by the 109th Congress in January 2005.
Now if the recount would somehow change the popular vote result, or the Ohio Supreme Court would somehow order that ANOTHER slate of Kerry electors would be sent to the Federal capitol then the 109th Congress would deal with the possible two slates of Ohio electors. The bottom line - the Bush slate would be counted and Bush is determined to have a majority of the elctoral votes and is elected President of the United States.
Here is a source with all the technical details:
Source: 4President.org
Hope this helps,
dvwjr
Because he's not a barking LW moonbat like you
No they would not disappear. Bush has already won them per the safe harbour provision. Kerry cannot win them.
Bush has won. The only way the electors would change is both the House and the Senate vote to take the votes away from Bush. If only one the houses were to give the votes to Kerry and the other Bush, the decision would go back to the Governor of Ohio, Taft, a Republican.
Have you, Mr. Aenebeck, no conviction for the decision making abilities of your man, the flip flopper Jf'nK?
After all he did concede the election!
Was it a poor decision?
You said "Now if the recount would somehow change the popular vote result, or the Ohio Supreme Court would somehow order that ANOTHER slate of Kerry electors would be sent to the Federal capitol then the 109th Congress would deal with the possible two slates of Ohio electors. The bottom line - the Bush slate would be counted and Bush is determined to have a majority of the electoral votes and is elected President of the United States.<\b>
So even if a recount determined that Kerry won, you say the Congress would still accept the original elctoral vote from Ohio?
The irony of the 2004 election is that the Democrats (DNC) complained so much so loudly of supposed "Republican fraud" prior to Nov. 2 that it forced the RNC and the GOP watchdogs to launch a massive watchdog effort, which thereby prevented the Democrats from swindling their usual 2 or 3 percent of ADDITIONAL phantom votes from inner cities and union strongholds.
Even with our diligence, there supposedly were some VOTER REGISTRATION PADDING attempts by rabid Dems in liberal cities like Philadelphia, but with the eyes of the nation focusing like a laser on each precinct, McCauliff and the unions could not stack the deck as easily as they've done in the past.
After all, isn't it amazing how votes did not magically appear from after hours polls in St. Louis, or at Indian reservations in Arizona, New Mexico and North Dakota?
Even in states where Kerry won, the margin of victory was much less than in 2004, and I strongly believe it was due to the diligence that Karl Rove and the RNC's small army of lawyers.
For me, the sweet irony of 2004 is that Dems seem to have cut off their own fraudulent foot, I believe, by stirring up claims BEFORE the election about supposed intimidation and ballot irregularities.
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