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How Can We Fight the ACLU?
Me | 12/14/04 | Me

Posted on 12/14/2004 1:36:36 PM PST by AZConcervative

How can we stop the ACLU? I am serious, so please try and refrain from half-cocked comments. Everyday, it seems, I am reading about another way the ACLU is trampling on the rights of the majority in a wacked out attempt to push its leftist agenda. From getting a cross taken out of the city of Los Angeles' crest (98% of L. A. residents polled wanted to keep it), to attacking a private entity such as the Boy Scouts, to turning the word Christmas into a vulagarity. I have seen and heard enough out of these people.

My idea is this. I want to start a grass roots effort to combat the ACLU. The problem is I wouldn't even know where to start. So I am appealing to you Freepers. I have faith that there are enough rational, intelligent people on here to come up with some truly viable ideas. I am all for having fun, but please try to keep the stupid comments to a minimum. I know that may be asking a lot of some of you, but please try and refrain.

Let's put our clout to use.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aclu; christians

1 posted on 12/14/2004 1:36:36 PM PST by AZConcervative
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To: AZConcervative

How about we get them to fight anti-gun laws.

After all gun ownership is a "Civil Liberty".


2 posted on 12/14/2004 1:38:24 PM PST by MaineRepublic (Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides)
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To: AZConcervative

I'd start by volunteering for/donating to the American Center for Law and Justice... http://www.aclj.org


3 posted on 12/14/2004 1:38:37 PM PST by bigLusr (Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur)
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To: AZConcervative

Rallying cry: ACLU = The Enemy Within™.


4 posted on 12/14/2004 1:38:43 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: AZConcervative
How Can We Fight the ACLU?

By appointing competent judges. If not for the judiciary, the ACLU would just have another website. They can't persuade anyone. So they impose their will, on the courts, through the courts, by means of incompentent or like-minded judges. It's the judiciary that's the problem. Fix the courts!

5 posted on 12/14/2004 1:39:14 PM PST by sevry
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To: AZConcervative

How do you defeat them? Have a massive number of freepers join the ACLU and destroy it from within.


6 posted on 12/14/2004 1:39:46 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: AZConcervative

Support authentic civil rights groups like the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) based in Washington, D.C.

http://www.aclj.org/


7 posted on 12/14/2004 1:40:24 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: AZConcervative
End the federal 'civil rights legislation' subsidy.
8 posted on 12/14/2004 1:40:25 PM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: AZConcervative
Join Roger Hedgecock of San Diego in 2005 to fight ACLU.I feel that for every frivilous suit a counter suit should be filed or better yet have them defend your rights against same.
9 posted on 12/14/2004 1:40:26 PM PST by newfrpr04
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To: AZConcervative

Counter sue in as many courts as possible under hate crime and discrimination laws. Then challenge the ACLU for proof under the Constitution of separation of Church and state. Then demand that the government recind the provision of re-embursing ACLU lawyers with taxpayers money!


10 posted on 12/14/2004 1:41:57 PM PST by Bommer
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To: AZConcervative

Find District Attorneys who will invoke the RICO Act in a suit against them. They are extorting money all over the place, this enables them to go on to further evil. And much of this is taxpayer money....OUR money.

DISTRICT ATTORNEY CANDIDATES--THIS IS A GREAT CAMPAIGN ISSUE!


11 posted on 12/14/2004 1:44:10 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (FREE people needn't apply to a Government of/by/for the People for a gun (PERSONAL PROPERTY) permit!)
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To: Jay777; IronJack

PING!


12 posted on 12/14/2004 1:47:16 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: AZConcervative

End the federal 'civil rights legislation' subsidy.

Newt Gingrich was on Fox's O'Rielly several nights ago and stated that the Activist judges could be delt with very easily by Congress. The office could just be done away with by Congress and the funding stopped. This could be done because of the misinterpretation of the Laws by these Judges. The Problem is getting the Congress to do anyhting about it.
The Dimms and the Republicans JUST WILL NOT HEAR the AMERICAN People, we have no place else to go for representation in Congress: Let's see, elections 2006,

Constitutional Party,
http://www.constitutionparty.com/

America First Party,
http://www.americafirstparty.org/

Independant American Party
http://www.usiap.org/

The American Party
http://www.theamericanparty.org/





AN all out campaign by the people via Phone,Mail and E-mail may be possible to bring pressure to get these judges removed.


13 posted on 12/14/2004 1:52:05 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: MaineRepublic
How about we get them to fight anti-gun laws. After all gun ownership is a "Civil Liberty".

I suggest you read the ACLU position statement on the Second Amendment. That Leftist organization unilaterally decided that "the People" in the Second Amendment means "the National Guard."

http://archive.aclu.org/library/aaguns.html

14 posted on 12/14/2004 1:53:22 PM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: AZConcervative
You fight them with knowledge, with understanding of where they are coming from--of their Fabian Socialist roots;--and, above all, with their deliberately deceptive approach to the issues.

See Leftwing Word Games & American Religious Freedom.

William Flax

15 posted on 12/14/2004 1:53:28 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: AZConcervative

They sent the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors a letter concerning the cross on the seal, to which they knuckled under. If a letter is all it takes, I'd say we've had it.


16 posted on 12/14/2004 1:54:06 PM PST by onedoug
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To: AZConcervative

Here is a start..

700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits
WND ^ | Nov 24, 2004 | staff


Posted on 11/24/2004 2:44:16 AM EST by ETERNAL WARMING


700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits Legal group's 'Christmas Project' designed to protect public schools


Posted: November 24, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Is it illegal to sing Christmas carols in public school? Or to display a manger scene or even to say the words "Merry Christmas" in those halls of learning?

Many public school officials act as though such prohibitions were clearly laid on in the Constitution and defensively ban every vestige of "religious expression" out of fear of an expensive ACLU lawsuit.

But this year, help is on the way: An army of 700 lawyers is being deployed to protect America's schools from the ACLU grinch.

In the past few weeks, the Alliance Defense Fund has contacted over 3,600 school districts nationwide, explaining the law and separating myth from fact regarding the celebration of Christmas in public schools. Moreover, as part of the group's "Christmas Project," more than 700 ADF and affiliated attorneys nationwide are available – at no cost to the school district – to combat any attempts to censor the celebration of Christmas in schools and on public property.

"The phrase 'separation of church and state' is not in the U.S. Constitution, but because of the fear, intimidation, and disinformation groups like the ACLU promote, many public officials and educational leaders mistakenly believe it is their duty to silence Christian religious expression," said ADF President Alan Sears. "ADF's goal this season is to inform and educate the 96 percent of Americans who celebrate Christmas regarding their rights."

Last month, ADF delivered the same information on the law to every state board of education and National Education Association chapter in the country, as well as to the national NEA office and the U.S. Department of Education.

The goal of ADF's Christmas Project is to clear up misconceptions about seasonal religious expression on public property. According to the public-interest law firm:

The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled that public schools must ban the singing of religious Christmas carols or prohibit the distribution of candy canes or Christmas cards.

School officials may refer to a school break in December as "Christmas Vacation" or as a holiday without offending the Constitution.

School officials do not violate the Constitution by closing on religious holidays such as Christmas and Good Friday.

No court has ever held that celebrating Thanksgiving and Christmas as religious holidays requires recognition of all other religious holidays.

The "Three Reindeer Rule" used by the courts requires a municipality to place a sufficient number of secular objects in close enough proximity to the Christmas item (such as a crèche) to render the overall display sufficiently secular. Although the overall display must not convey a message endorsing a particular religion's view, Christmas displays are not banned as some people believe. Simply put, the courts ask, "Is the municipality celebrating the holiday or promoting religion?"

"We want to dispel the myths about religious expression at Christmastime that have prompted wrongful acts of government censorship of religious speech," Sears said. "It's OK to say 'Merry Christmas!'"

School Districts or public entities being sued over their Christmas displays or expression can contact the Alliance Defense Fund through its website or by calling 1-877-TELL-ADF.





http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1287344/posts?page=13


17 posted on 12/14/2004 1:57:09 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (Character exalts Liberty and Freedom, Righteous exalts a Nation.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie
I did not hear the Gingrich interview, but I suspect that someone has misunderstood what he was suggesting. The way Congress can stop the activist Federal Judges is not by removing them from office, but by the much simpler practice of simply redefining their jurisdiction. Under Article III, Congress defines the jurisdiction of the District Courts, as well as the Appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

18 posted on 12/14/2004 1:57:24 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: AZConcervative
Freepers Jay777 and IronJack have been working on this as well.

I currently donate to the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), and the Thomas More Law Center (TMLC). I would encourge everyone to support one or more of these fine organizations as they are working to oppose the ACLU. Sign up for their newsletters so you can keep up with the work they are doing.

19 posted on 12/14/2004 1:59:35 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: AZConcervative

I agree with you. The ACLU is a destructive organization!!! Left unchecked they will destroy America and all of us with it. Hopefully, we will get some conservative Supreme Court Judges in the next couple of years that will follow the Constitution and put the ACLU in their place. (The trash dumpster.) Hopefully, they will reverse some of the ACLU wins. I have NO faith in our politicians doing anything to stop them. I think it would be wise if we start a grass roots organization that goes after them. As far as I'm concerned, they rank right up there with the U.N. and the Democrat Party. All anti-American and evil.


20 posted on 12/14/2004 1:59:42 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: Prime Choice

Thanks for pointing that out. I had never read that before.

What a bunch of opportunistic hypocrites.


21 posted on 12/14/2004 2:01:40 PM PST by MaineRepublic (Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides)
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To: AZConcervative
The ACLU is organized exactly like Islam. Lots of bewildered, uninformed foot soldiers willing to do anything for their masters...and...an elite power group.

Not one member of the ACLU executive board has ever been a member of the US military, the boy or girls scouts, or a practicing Chrisitan.

The only way to fight it in this PC world we live in is to form an Anti-Defamation league like the Jews.

Get Christian people together, particiularly lawyers willing to go pro bono and the wealthy folks also anger over this distructive entity....and imitate them....Sue them as individuals...attack their free tax status, intimidate their leadership as individuals....do just what they do!

22 posted on 12/14/2004 2:05:12 PM PST by squirt-gun
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To: onedoug
They sent the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors a letter concerning the cross on the seal, to which they knuckled under.

Mostly because every government entity in Los Angeles is as Leftist as they come. They practically squealed with glee at having the ACLU cast its evil eye upon them.

23 posted on 12/14/2004 2:05:46 PM PST by Prime Choice (I like Democrats, too. Let's exchange recipes.)
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To: AZConcervative

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
from its own writings



by Diane Dew

Ever notice how the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) seems to take on only cases that are anti-Christian - pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual, pro-infanticide, pro-crime, pro-humanism, anti-God -- and, except for atheism, anti-religion?

It calls itself the American Civil Liberties Union, but the ACLU is not American; it is uncivil (to the unborn, which are shredded mercilessly to pieces without anesthetic); and it knows nothing of true liberty, which can only be found in Jesus Christ, when one is set free from the bondage of all the SIN this evil organization PROMOTES!

Stated Goals

The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated: "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)

The ACLU is destructive to the fabric of our society. Christians must recognize Satan as the source - the instigator - when the end results of an organization's efforts are only "to kill, to steal, and to destroy." All we need to is examine the (rotten) fruit.

Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

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the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);
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the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);
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the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);
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the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);
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the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);
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opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);
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opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);
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opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);
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opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)

-- not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, tax-funded abortion, birth limitation, etc. (Policies 263, 133, 402, 47, 261, 323, 271, 91, 85).

Following is a case in point (from David Barton's "America: To Pray or Not to Pray").

In 1988, California was considering adopting legislation on sex education for public schools requiring that course material and
instruction should stress that monogamous heterosexual intercourse within marriage is a traditional American value.

The Senator promoting the bill received a letter of protest from the ACLU dated April 18, 1988 stating:

"It is our position that monogamous, heterosexual intercourse within marriage
as a traditional American value is an unconstitutional establishment of religious
doctrine in public schools.... We believe [this bill] violates the First Amendment."

Truth is, liberals are unwilling to simply let others be, but rather seek to impose their UNgodliness upon Christians. It is a mission to
them and other atheists to pervert the freedoms of others. The ACLU does not run to the defense of those who are harmed; it aggressively
seeks out opportunities to corrupt pure freedoms.

Finances

How does the ACLU pay for its activities?

George Grant, author of "Trial and Error," puts the ACLU's annual budget (1993) at $14 MILLION (FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLARS) - much of which is "SUPPLIED BY THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER through the Federal program mandated by the Civil Rights Attorneys' Fee Awards Act of 1976. If the ACLU wins a case that involves a public institution, for instance, the organization collects the full legal fees of its attorneys even though those attorneys offered their services pro bono (without charge).

Membership

1993 membership in the ACLU was 250,000 members, with 70 staff lawyers, and 5,000 volunteer attorneys, handling an average of 6,000 cases at any one time.

You can read about the ACLU at the ACLU's official web site: http://aclu.org/


24 posted on 12/14/2004 2:15:54 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: AZConcervative

bump


25 posted on 12/14/2004 2:21:38 PM PST by schaketo (http://www.gp.org/ Convince progressives to join the Green Party Divide and conquer)
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To: WildHorseCrash
"How do you defeat them? Have a massive number of freepers join the ACLU and destroy it from within."

Hey! Not a bad idea. I'm not sure that I could be that deceptive though. I feel sure that this approach has been used to destroy organizations before.

Rise to the upper ranks of the organization by stealth and sack the bastards.

26 posted on 12/14/2004 2:29:39 PM PST by davisfh
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To: AZConcervative
It's ny understanding that the ACLU files suits under the Civil Rights laws, which qualifies them for reimbursement for legal fees whether they win or not. Next year a Republican Rep. is introducing legislation to change this. I don't know the Bill #, but you could look it up.

We need to fully support this reform. Your tax dollars support the ACLU whether you agree with them or not!

27 posted on 12/14/2004 2:43:11 PM PST by paul in cape
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To: paul in cape

Bump!


28 posted on 12/14/2004 2:45:33 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: AZConcervative
There is a website dedicated to stopping the ACLU.
29 posted on 12/14/2004 2:49:23 PM PST by Aeronaut (May all the feckless become fecked.)
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To: Ohioan

I am almost certain that he said the Judges could be removed!


30 posted on 12/14/2004 2:51:06 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: AZConcervative
How can we stop the ACLU?

A whole gaggle of thong snapping Monica Lewinsky's. Let their soon to be ex-wives bankrupt them.

I'm thinking that the thong snapping may hold true for the male ACLU scum as well as the female (all lesbians?).

31 posted on 12/14/2004 2:51:24 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Prime Choice
"That Leftist organization unilaterally decided that "the People" in the Second Amendment means "the National Guard."

As if one of the rights contained in the Bill of Rights was a right to protect the government from the people. The idea is laughable. The ACLU has an agenda, and it's not what they pretend it is.

32 posted on 12/14/2004 2:53:09 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: AZConcervative; paul in cape

Give Bill O'Reily a little credit here, he has said more against the extremism of the aclu then any other TV personality I have seen.


33 posted on 12/14/2004 2:53:20 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: AZConcervative

I donate to the Thomas More Law Center. We're a military family, so we're not rolling in the dough or anything, but if we've got it then they've got it. :o)


34 posted on 12/14/2004 3:16:31 PM PST by misty4jc (Merry Christmas Everyone!)
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To: misty4jc

Thomas More Law Center Bump!


35 posted on 12/14/2004 3:24:54 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform

The Thomas More Center is a great organization. I had the opportunity of speaking with one of its reps a few years ago, and a sharper, more enthusiastic, upbeat guy I've never met. Absolutely brilliant man. Wish I could remember his name.


36 posted on 12/14/2004 3:36:12 PM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: AZConcervative

Find ways to stop or slow the incoming funding from the big foundations and others. Write and publish lists of things they have done to ruin the Republic and subvert the laws of morality and Christianity. Freep their court dates. Make sure everyone knows their Commie background. Etc.


37 posted on 12/14/2004 3:50:26 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: bigLusr
I went to school with Jay Sekulow's son Jordan, always have had a lot of respect for what the do there at the ACLJ.

-paridel
38 posted on 12/14/2004 10:56:45 PM PST by Paridel
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To: AZConcervative; RepCath; Liz; Jay777; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ...
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


39 posted on 12/15/2004 5:07:15 AM PST by Jay777
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To: sevry
"How Can We Fight the ACLU?

By appointing competent judges."

Bump!!

40 posted on 12/15/2004 5:31:43 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Jay777; AZConcervative


41 posted on 12/15/2004 7:39:03 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! )
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To: MeekOneGOP; Jay777

BTTT


42 posted on 12/15/2004 7:52:03 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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