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Tree chopping lands forest owner in jail
Aftenposten - Norway ^ | 12/14/2004 | Hans O.Torgersen

Posted on 12/17/2004 11:32:18 AM PST by Red Badger

The owner of a vast tract of virgin forest land in north-central Norway is in big trouble after chopping down trees on his own property. Newspaper Aftenposten reported Tuesday that the 54-year-old forest owner has been sentenced to six months in jail for chopping down the trees on his land in Flatanger, Nord-Trøndelag. The trees he chopped were in an area that was part of an officially designated nature preserve. An appeals court in Nord-Trøndelag ruled that the forest owner intentionally launched the logging operation, in the hopes that the area would thus lose its nature preserve status. Illegal logging He'd first been charged by Norway's white-collar crime unit (Økokrim) for logging in two areas of the nature preserve in 2001. He also chopped down trees in the area in 1995, when government officials already were discussing whether to regulate the area as a nature preserve. Prosecutors argued that the forest owner violated environmental restrictions aimed at protecting valuable virgin forests. 'Vandalism' The court agreed, claiming that the fallen trees were located in the nature preserve's most valuable area. They claimed the owner's logging operation was akin to vandalism. The forest owner defended his logging operation, saying county officials had led him to believe that the areas where he cut trees were exempt from the nature preserve regulations.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Unclassified
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1 posted on 12/17/2004 11:32:18 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger



Norway


2 posted on 12/17/2004 11:34:16 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Support our troops.........)
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To: Red Badger

Wow...
The world is a safer place now that guy is off the streets.


3 posted on 12/17/2004 11:34:48 AM PST by t-1000 (Hecho...Lava Sus Manos?)
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To: Red Badger
"when government officials already were discussing whether to regulate the area as a nature preserve"

Was he compensated for his loss of use of his land???????????

4 posted on 12/17/2004 11:35:20 AM PST by Mr. K ((this space for rent))
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To: Red Badger
" ... virgin forest land in north-central Norway ... "

I'm afraid this Hans fellow wouldn't know a virgin if he fell into one.

5 posted on 12/17/2004 11:35:46 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: Red Badger

I wonder if his sister was ever bitten by a møøse.


6 posted on 12/17/2004 11:37:55 AM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Redcloak

At least he got to see the l0veli lakes


7 posted on 12/17/2004 11:41:34 AM PST by The_Victor (Calvin: "Do tigers wear pajamas?", Hobbes: "Truth is we never take them off.")
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To: The_Victor

Careful, you'll get sacked!


8 posted on 12/17/2004 11:44:46 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Diplomats. The best diplomat I know of is a fully loaded phaser bank" - Cdr. Montgomery Scott)
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To: The_Victor

l0veli lakes = løveli lakes


9 posted on 12/17/2004 11:44:59 AM PST by The_Victor (Calvin: "Do tigers wear pajamas?", Hobbes: "Truth is we never take them off.")
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To: Red Badger

Just because it is in Norway doesn't mean it won't soon be coming to a city near you. Our city(Portland,Or.) requires the city forester to inspect each tree before cutting. Most people just go ahead and drop the tree anyway.


10 posted on 12/17/2004 11:45:48 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Red Badger
Yah. We now have a "Critical Areas Ordinance" in King Fraud County, WA, that will do much the same to rural landowners who do not leave 2/3 of their land in a "natural" state. (Think it's only fines get levied... now.)
11 posted on 12/17/2004 11:47:41 AM PST by sionnsar (Merry Christmas from Fraud County, WA -- and yes, Seattle has always been this corrupt.)
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To: Red Badger

The trees were not chopped down, they were just pining for the fjords.


12 posted on 12/17/2004 11:47:44 AM PST by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: sionnsar

Fraud COunty: http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profiles?location=95


13 posted on 12/17/2004 11:48:24 AM PST by sionnsar (Merry Christmas from Fraud County, WA -- and yes, Seattle has always been this corrupt.)
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To: Red Badger

Stupid Tree-Huggin' Hippies!!!
14 posted on 12/17/2004 11:48:32 AM PST by rohtol
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To: Red Badger

Stupid Tree-Huggin' Hippies!!!
15 posted on 12/17/2004 11:48:59 AM PST by rohtol
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To: crazyhorse691

A few years back, a local tree-hugger county commisioner pushed thru an ordinance that said no trees greater than 6 inches diameter could be cut on new construction sites without the approval of the county. That brought new construction to a dead halt. The law of unintended consequences forced the law to be rescinded.......


16 posted on 12/17/2004 11:53:46 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: farmfriend


17 posted on 12/17/2004 11:53:58 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Red Badger

So what, exactly, are they perserving these "Virgin forests" for, if not as renewable resources? Their scenic value? Who traipses through arctic forests? In the summer you can't see anything through the clouds of mosquitos, and in the winter you can't see anything because your eyeballs freeze.


18 posted on 12/17/2004 11:57:47 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Little Pig
The STANDARD LIBERAL ANSWER is:

We are preserving them for future generations.......

At which time you say, "In approximately 4 billion years the sun will become a Red Giant and will vaporize this planet and everthing in it." .......

19 posted on 12/17/2004 12:01:20 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: Red Badger

Someone should tell them trees are a renewable resource.


20 posted on 12/17/2004 12:26:25 PM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: Red Badger

Norway = Zimbabway


21 posted on 12/17/2004 12:29:59 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

There's the wrong way, the right way, and then there's the Norway......


22 posted on 12/17/2004 12:32:10 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: Red Badger
The STANDARD LIBERAL ANSWER is:
We are preserving them for future generations.......

At which time you say, "In approximately 4 billion years the sun will become a Red Giant and will vaporize this planet and everything in it." .......


_____________

I can't wait to us that line, thank you! And at the end I will add "what are YOU doing to prevent THAT!?!"
23 posted on 12/17/2004 12:35:44 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Moore, DumbandWhite 9.11)
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To: Red Badger
The owner of a vast tract of virgin forest land in north-central Norway

Should be written as, "HUUUUUUUGE tracts of land"

24 posted on 12/17/2004 12:37:47 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

Be prepared! When you use that line, the first reaction will be a "deer in the headlights" stare with an open mouth breather jaw.......Try not to laugh too much.....


25 posted on 12/17/2004 12:45:32 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: Red Badger; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; ..
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
26 posted on 12/17/2004 1:01:04 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: The_Victor

I bet he's now pining for the fjords.


Anyway, wi not trei a holiday in Norway this yer?

See the loveli lakes

The wonderful telephone system

And mani interesting furry animals

Including the majestik moose

A moose once bit my sister

No realli! She was karving her initials on the moose

with the sharpened end of an interspace toothbrush

given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an oslo dentist

and star of many Norwegian movies: "The Hot Hands of an Oslo Dentist",

"Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Molars of Horst Nordfink"...


27 posted on 12/17/2004 1:08:59 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Red Badger

Is the Quisling government back in power?


28 posted on 12/17/2004 1:11:15 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Is the Quisling government back in power?

I didn't know they ever LEFT!......


29 posted on 12/17/2004 1:25:59 PM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!!


30 posted on 12/17/2004 1:29:30 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Red Badger

Note the phrase "after chopping down trees on his own property." Obviously he does not "own" the property if he does not have exclusive control over its use, enjoyment and disposal. That exclusive relationship to the land is what constitues ownership. In this case, it appears that for all intents and purposes, the public or community owns the land for use as a nature preserve. This over-riding community interest appears to be common in socialistic countries.

In the USA, regulation is only supposed to prevent substantial injury to public health and safety from an individual's use of his own property. If it ends up creating a state of public ownership, that would be a 5th Amendment takings in the USA, justifying a claim for just compensation.

The way environmental regulation in the USA is going, it will not be long until we are on par with the Norweigan view of ownership, if we are not there already.


31 posted on 12/17/2004 3:34:54 PM PST by marsh2
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To: Red Badger
the 54-year-old forest owner has been sentenced to six months in jail for chopping down the trees on his land in Flatanger

I don't care if this guy is now a convict. Any 54 year old who can still swing an ax with authority has certainly earned my respect.

32 posted on 12/17/2004 3:46:03 PM PST by Freebird Forever (MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!)
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To: Little Pig

Not just your eyes!


33 posted on 12/17/2004 4:10:14 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: marsh2
In the USA, regulation is only supposed to prevent substantial injury to public health and safety from an individual's use of his own property. If it ends up creating a state of public ownership, that would be a 5th Amendment takings in the USA, justifying a claim for just compensation.

Sounds like he suffered a regulatory taking, plus. Here, he'd just loose the value of his trees. Unless he lost ALL value, he'd be screwed. There's little respect for #5.
34 posted on 12/17/2004 4:27:47 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: Red Badger

Ah, Norge: average IQ 81, and falling.


35 posted on 12/18/2004 7:06:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: Red Badger

irrelevant eurononsense alert.


36 posted on 12/18/2004 7:10:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: marsh2
The way environmental regulation in the USA is going, it will not be long until we are on par with the Norweigan view of ownership, if we are not there already.

I believe the Endangered Species Act has, in effect, taken away control from quite a few property owners.

37 posted on 12/18/2004 7:18:24 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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