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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: D Edmund Joaquin
If evolution is true, nothing should go extinct, it should adapt and change, especially the fittest, which you would think sabertooth tigers, for one, would be

Perhaps one of the most ignorant (or intentionally, fallicious) argument ever posted. Excluding the one about the human baby coming out of a monkey.

681 posted on 12/20/2004 4:30:02 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: BJungNan

it's taboo to ask questions that they can't or don't want to deal with


682 posted on 12/20/2004 4:30:04 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: BJungNan

How giant redwoods hoist water up 30 stories
Q: How is a giant redwood able to hoist water all the way from the roots to the top of the tree?
A: It's certainly a long way up--as much as 100 meters, as tall as a 30-story building. A tree releases as much as 160 gallons of water in a day through its leaves and, by necessity, moves that water up from its roots. How does the redwood manage?

Redwoods have a system of interconnected wood cells for carrying water. The hollow, short, thin cells are stacked intricately to form an incredibly tall column, extending from the roots through the branches and stems to the leaves.

The cells are dead wood that function as pipes with pitted openings along the sides of the pipe for water to pass between adjacent cells. The small cells rarely exceed a quarter of an inch in length (5 millimeters) and are only about 30 microns in diameter (about three times the diameter of a red blood cell).

Redwoods must form a continuous column of water within this pipe in order to move water through the pipe. We believe redwoods form the column when the tree is a newly germinated seedling. The tree maintains the water column intact throughout its life time. Consider the wind and how it tosses trees around. Only the millions of small compartments that enclose the water keep the water column whole. A single pipe would not work.

Two forces move the water: a push and a pull. Roots do most of the pushing but capillary action (the tendency of water to rise in a thin tube by flowing up the walls of the tube) kicks in a small pressure. The push can support a column of water about three yards high (two to three meters). The pull takes over from there.

The driving engine behind the pull is the evaporation of water and the attraction between water molecules. The molecules have both a positive and a negatively charged part and, therefore, stick together with a strong force--experimentally determined to be25 to 30 atmospheres. That's enough to crush a World War II submarine at 1000 feet below the surface. A redwood tree routinely maintains a negative pressure of 14 atmospheres at the top of the water column (with one atmosphere at the base) and the column withstands this pressure without breaking. This is how it happens:

Water evaporating from the leaves starts the suction pull. A water molecule evaporates from a leaf and pulls on the molecules around it as it departs. This creates a small suction in the water column and pulls water from adjacent water-conducting leaf cells. These molecules, in turn, attract those around them. The chain continues to the ground and moves water from the roots to the tree top just as a pump brings water to the surface from a well.

The Sun's energy, which evaporates the water from the leaf surface in the first place, is the pump engine.

(Answered by April Holladay, science correspondent, April 18, 2001)



http://www.wonderquest.com/Redwood.htm


683 posted on 12/20/2004 4:30:10 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: WildTurkey

which one is it, I wonder


684 posted on 12/20/2004 4:30:52 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: js1138

I like my answer better.


685 posted on 12/20/2004 4:31:57 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: BJungNan

now they'll call you stupid and some big word you can't understand


686 posted on 12/20/2004 4:33:12 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
The science community believes in Kwanza. It embraces Kwanza. Kwanza for everyone. It's a religion they can relate to, unlike spookism (qh)

Kwazy Kwanza to you!

687 posted on 12/20/2004 4:33:31 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro

Thanke! Merry Spookiness!


688 posted on 12/20/2004 4:34:52 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
it's taboo to ask questions that they can't or don't want to deal with

No, but it's silly to ask questions that have no point. There is nothing about evolution that suggests extinction should not occur.

689 posted on 12/20/2004 4:38:09 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: js1138
No, but it's silly to ask questions that have no point.

Like what about millions of Christians who don't believe in germs type of questions? when they aren't Christians in the first place

690 posted on 12/20/2004 4:41:50 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

Tell me, is a Christian a Christian because you say so, or some council or authority says so, or because he says he believes in Christ?

Just asking.


691 posted on 12/20/2004 4:43:58 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
Why do the eucalypti groves not "sense" a change in the air in Marin county? Don't they know they're going to bulldoze them all down? Now, if they begin to offer the spotted kookaburra owl a haven, they will get to live on, that's evolution, that'sa that thing where two species mutually benefit each other

Are dumb-ass questions the proofs of "the real science?" Does someone need to let you into the classroom to show the kids how the universe really works? Before or after you take your meds?

692 posted on 12/20/2004 4:44:10 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Oddly it seems to be evolution that has sat itself up for failure and ridicule. Kind of like Democrats warning Republicans that their win is not to be taken as a mandate.

Didn't evolutionists just admit to several spontaneous eruptions of different species of life over a graduated period of time? Or did they not?


693 posted on 12/20/2004 4:44:14 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: js1138; Havoc; Dataman; bondserv; Wallace T.; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; UsnDadof8

Well now that is a good question. Are you really interested in an answer?


694 posted on 12/20/2004 4:45:58 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: js1138
Species do not change for any particular purpose, nor do they change in anticipation of need. These concepts have never had anything to do with evolution.

Creationism is bludgeoning with ignorance--the ignorance of the creationist. That's the point of this thread, when you come right down to it.

You can't make a creationist understand. Thus, my tagline.

695 posted on 12/20/2004 4:46:52 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: js1138

By the way, you got the magic-numbered post this thread.


696 posted on 12/20/2004 4:47:27 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro

ad hominem attacks are but the response of a shallow and/or inadequate mind, but I did like your kwanza greetings


697 posted on 12/20/2004 4:47:40 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: Wallace T.
I hope and believe, that in the final sense, Shepherd was wrong.

I don't care what you believe, only what you can establish through evidence and rational thought.

698 posted on 12/20/2004 4:48:17 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: BJungNan
The discussion, at least as I raised it, is that both should be taught.

It's a science class, not comparative religion.

699 posted on 12/20/2004 4:48:29 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro

Reminds me of Effdot without the e.e. cummings poetic flourish.


700 posted on 12/20/2004 4:50:04 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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