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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry; BJungNan
Each tree has a tree fairy at the top, who sucks the water all the way up. Every now and then they come down to the forest floor and take a break. Sometimes, when you're walking alone in the woods, you can get lucky.

Havoc mentioned earlier that you can explore the Gnome. Gnomes start the water up from the roots. Then the Angels take over. Tree fairies only work at NeverLand when Michael Jackson is there.

701 posted on 12/20/2004 4:51:00 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Didn't evolutionists just admit to several spontaneous eruptions of different species of life over a graduated period of time? Or did they not?

What does this question mean? What is a spontaneous eruption of different species? Could you cite a source that speaks English?

702 posted on 12/20/2004 4:52:06 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: js1138; D Edmund Joaquin
Have you [DEJ] paid attention to anything I've said?

Do sharks sh*t in the woods?

703 posted on 12/20/2004 4:52:43 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro

I not only got the magic number, but I coined a new word, "redoods". A prize for the best daffynition.


704 posted on 12/20/2004 4:54:15 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: js1138; VadeRetro

Here's a tribute to you, js. You never resorted to boorishness


705 posted on 12/20/2004 4:54:21 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: Wallace T.
Education should be handled entirely in the private sector.

Hey, I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately, the way we might wish for things to be someday is not how things are now, and hence we have the problem of teaching today's children now, not forty years down the road when the conservative revolution is complete. Therefore, I suggest we teach science in science class, as it is defined by scientists, and not by lawyers, political activists, or pastors.

You also err when it can be inferred that you believe that macroevolution is physical, observable reality.

Oh, no. But let us continue.

Many persons have observed caterpillars metamorphizing into butterflies. No one has observed a land mammal evolving into a whale.

No one - no non-participant, anyway - observed OJ murdering his ex-wife. No one observed Pacific tribes carving the Easter Island statues. No one observed the collision of the North American and Pacific plates to cause the rise of the Rocky Mountains. No one observed glaciers covering what is now modern-day Chicago. And yet we know all of those things happened, because we piece together the available evidence and find the best explanation that fits that evidence. So it is with evolution. Again, I point out that if you limit yourself to believing things that are directly observable, you're not going to believe very much - you can't see your house when you're not home, so what right do you have in believeing that it is there when you're not? None whatsoever, by the standard of evidence you're setting up, and yet I doubt you seriously consider the proposition that it winks out of existence when you're not around to keep an eye on it.

...there are also some problems with the theory, as the intelligent design advocates have pointed out.

No. Of the few proposed, none of them - not one - has yet withstood serious scrutiny by scientists.

Scientific consensus changes over the years. Newtonian physics was the standard until the late 19th Century; since that time, certain propositions of that school have been refuted and are no longer accepted.

Really? Which ones?

You must drop this apparent notion that scietific theories are either absolutely right or absolutely wrong. Theories are approximations, and some approximations are better than others. Newton's physics was, in fact, an excellent approximation - so good, in fact, that the same equations he derived, with slight relativistic corrections, are still used 400 years later to fly space probes around the solar system.

Was it a perfect approximation? It turns out that it was not - Einstein discovered certain unusual conditions that were governed by a different set of laws, but this does not mean F=ma suddenly stopped working sometime in the 1920's. And so the synthesis of Newtonian physics with the additional elements that Einstein discovered makes up a large portion of what we now consider physics. At no point was Newton "wrong" - he was merely incomplete. As is the theory of evolution, of course. Is our understanding complete? No. But the bulk of the theory, the guts of it, has withstood 150 years of serious scrutiny, much as Newton's physics has - and like Newton, "incomplete" does not mean "wrong".

The fact that I accept the propositions of the Bible, in their historical and grammatical context and in light of authorial intent, as the ultimate truth has no bearing on my concept of God or the physical universe.

Apparently it does - evolution is real, whether your worldview allows you to see it or not. Sorry.

706 posted on 12/20/2004 4:54:25 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin

I think I'll quit for the evening, while I'm still ahead.


707 posted on 12/20/2004 4:56:32 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
ad hominem attacks are but the response of a shallow and/or inadequate mind, but I did like your kwanza greetings

"Kwazy Kwanzaa" may of course be sung to the tune of "Happy Birthday."

708 posted on 12/20/2004 4:57:18 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: js1138

I will as well. I was just pulling yourleg.You took it well


709 posted on 12/20/2004 4:57:33 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: BJungNan

Is he trying to sell it or simply presenting it.

After checking past posts I realized that THEY were trying to sell. More precisely,they were more interested in demonstrating their knowledge and in attempting to have a little fun,than attempting to understand a opposing belief,view or position.


710 posted on 12/20/2004 5:07:44 PM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Cvengr
[I have never observed as mich rigor given to verifying the exponential formulas...]
Try here.

Better yet, try a working version of the link here. ;-)

711 posted on 12/20/2004 5:15:54 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: JFK_Lib
Why would it wear off? Jadedness?

Ask a frog in hot water. If it could speak, it would probably say it had no idea the presence of heat had so much to do with its condition. Heat being the natural state of things, cold being the "miracle" with no scientific basis in reality.

"Jadedness" brings moral baggage, IMO, but maybe that's the right word.

712 posted on 12/20/2004 5:31:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: VadeRetro
Do sharks sh*t in the woods?

I just ruined another keyboard on account of you.....

;-)

713 posted on 12/20/2004 5:31:31 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
One may be coarse, or one may be patient. No matta, no matta. The people whose science consists of being back again dumb as a stump tomorrow will be back again dumb as a stump tomorrow, if not later tonight.
714 posted on 12/20/2004 5:39:32 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: VadeRetro
.... if not later tonight.

make that two keyboards....

715 posted on 12/20/2004 5:48:26 PM PST by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro
It's a science class, not comparative religion.

You make my point. It is all religion. And again I say and noone replies, if you are going to teach one, then teach them all. Why the exclusion in favor of the exclusive presentation of evolution?

Still waiting for the reply...tap...tap...tap...

716 posted on 12/20/2004 6:08:02 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I dunno, Fester.

Daily I am reminded of my own frailty, the vastness of the universe and its ancientness.

I cannot stop thinking that God is truly beyond my mental grasp if He has created so much over so long a time all to be brought to fruition 2000 years ago.

I look forward to being in His Presence one day.

How can I lose sight of that?

How can I find that dull and boring?

I think that those who find faith dull and Gods creation lackluster need to get back out and engage life in all its beauty and dread.

It is the safety of modern life that dulls the mind so that we cannot sense anymore what surrounds us; God's Living Presence.

But still it is there.


717 posted on 12/20/2004 6:09:13 PM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: chronic_loser

no, it doesn't "piss me off", that you and I *believe* differently. How 'bout you? ;^D


718 posted on 12/20/2004 6:09:31 PM PST by FBD (Report illegals and their employers at: http://www.reportillegals.com/)
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To: js1138
Redwoods have a system of interconnected wood cells for carrying water. The hollow, short, thin cells are stacked intricately to form an incredibly tall column, extending from the roots through the branches and stems to the leaves.

Nice information. But that tells us what happens. It does not tell us how it happens.

719 posted on 12/20/2004 6:10:13 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: PatrickHenry
Each tree has a tree fairy at the top, who sucks the water all the way up. Every now and then they come down to the forest floor and take a break. Sometimes, when you're walking alone in the woods, you can get lucky.

In other words, you can't answer the question so you are reply with a cute little answer that makes you look stupid. Sorry, I don't mean that as an insult. But it really is a stupid reply.

720 posted on 12/20/2004 6:11:27 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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