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To: PatrickHenry

As a Catholic, I don't feel obliged to believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago. Geology and astrophysics and the evident age of many species make that idea hard to support. But frankly, the Theory of Evolution is full of holes. It's not a matter of religious belief in my case, it's a matter of bad science.

Partial evolution of bird beaks, sure. General evolution right up the chain of being from primordial soup to man, no. It just doesn't make sense. The harder you look at it, the less sense it makes.


3 posted on 12/18/2004 6:05:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
The harder you look at it the less sense it makes

Lol! Where did God come from?
If there is no God, would evolution eventually evolve God?
Does any of this really matter?
42 posted on 12/19/2004 12:53:47 AM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: Cicero
"As a Catholic, I don't feel obliged to believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago."

As a Christian, the Bible does not say WHEN God created the universe. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. AND the earth became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

Then follows a description of a massive clean up.

Peter describes THREE heaven and earth ages.

We are told in Ecclesiastes 1 :9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10. Is there any thing whereof it may be said 'See this is new?' It hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

So what is it that flesh man is not allowed to remember???

Now Ezekiel 28, tells us all about the devil being created and he was created perfect, yet not one word in Genesis about the devil being created yet the devil was in the Garden of Eden.

When were the souls created.... note God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness.

Who is the US and the OUR????
53 posted on 12/19/2004 4:13:30 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Cicero
and the evident age of many species make that idea hard to support.

God created Adam and Eve fully matured, older, right? Why could He not have made the other things that way.

I have problems with getting to pick and choose what in the bible is literal, and what isn't. If it's not all literal, unless clearly stated as with parables, then there is no way to trust any of it as true.

The bible says God created the universe in 6 days, so it has to be in 6 days.

Becky

64 posted on 12/19/2004 5:57:41 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Cicero
General evolution right up the chain of being from primordial soup to man, no. It just doesn't make sense.

Then you need an alternative explanation for the strong similarities between genomes of all living organisms. I agree that at the superficial level the differences between the physical forms of living organisms make evolution of humans, say, from a single-celled eukaryote seem implausible. But the biochemical similarities are far more pronounced than the physical similarities.

65 posted on 12/19/2004 6:02:45 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Cicero
But frankly, the Theory of Evolution is full of holes.
Yeah, I can't believe I share so much DNA with every other creature on earth either!

DNA and genetics must also be on a par with 'the Theory of Evolution ' - it's mostly theory, nothing concrete ...

120 posted on 12/19/2004 1:29:55 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Cicero
It just doesn't make sense. The harder you look at it, the less sense it makes.

Odd -- the more I learn about it (i.e., the "harder I look at it"), the *more* sense it makes. How do you account for that?

Which parts of it have you "looked at" and found to not "make sense"?

184 posted on 12/19/2004 7:29:41 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Cicero
As a Catholic, I don't feel obliged to believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago.

As a Christian, I do feel obliged. And for some fairly obvious reasons. This is the differnece between Christianity and those who model themselves after it - including many protestant sects. Those who are just playing religion, have no grounding, no understanding of authority for their beliefs and thusly don't understand or care about the impact of undermining said authority. The only authority to them is their clergy and feelings - that is cultic - not Christian. And it's a most dangerous ground to be standing on.

219 posted on 12/20/2004 2:37:00 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Cicero
It's not a matter of religious belief in my case, it's a matter of bad science.

That's my thinking.

282 posted on 12/20/2004 6:34:19 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Cicero
As a Catholic, I don't feel obliged to believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago. Geology and astrophysics and the evident age of many species make that idea hard to support. But frankly, the Theory of Evolution is full of holes. It's not a matter of religious belief in my case, it's a matter of bad science.

Amen to that. But if the fundies want to believe and teach their children the 6,000 year thing, let them. It's not going to hurt them. The atheists are the ones shoving their crap down everybody's throat and crying about religion being shoved down their throats when it is not happening. Punks!
442 posted on 12/20/2004 11:04:57 AM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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