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Pope Condemns Same Sex Union as Attack on Society
Yahoo News ^ | December 18, 2004

Posted on 12/19/2004 11:12:34 AM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul (news - web sites) on Saturday condemned same sex marriage as an attack on the fabric of society and called on Catholics to combat what he said was aggressive attempt to legally undermine the family.

"Attacks on marriage and the family, from an ideological and legal aspect, are becoming stronger and more radical every day," the 84-year old pontiff said in the unusually strong statement.

"Who destroys this fundamental fabric causes a profound injury to society and provokes often irreparable damage."

The Catholic Church teaches that marriage between a man and a women is sacred and that homosexuality is a sin.

That stance has been under pressure in some of its core constituencies, including the United States and Catholic Spain where the socialist government in October approved a controversial draft law to legalize gay unions.

But a counterattack has begun. In the United States, President Bush (news - web sites) was swept back to power in the November elections with help from U.S. evangelicals and Catholics who agree with the Pope.

Votes for Bush included solid support from the religious right and his win was interpreted by some as a victory for conservative Christians on issues like gay rights and abortion.

The Polish Pope on Saturday also condemned abortion, artificial procreation and equal status for cohabiting couples as undermining the marital state.

"These things that are presented as civilized progress or scientific conquests, in many cases are in fact a defeat for the dignity of human life and for society," his statement read.



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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Google Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II and see what you come up with.


61 posted on 12/19/2004 3:37:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
Pope John Paul II is not a citizen of the United States of America and his opinons are no more welcome here than are those of the U.N.'s Secretary General.

Says you. And you don't speak for me any more than the idiots on TV do.

62 posted on 12/19/2004 3:39:00 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; anonymoussierra; NYer; narses
I might agree with you if John Paul II hadn't done so much for freedom during the Cold War. If Reagan were alive today, he would agree with me.

Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan and the Collapse of Communism Examined by Reagan's National Security Advisor

63 posted on 12/19/2004 3:41:08 PM PST by risk
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Hey O.C. isn't there a South Park thread somewhere for you to urninate on?


64 posted on 12/19/2004 3:42:06 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Happy December 19th, Impeachment Day)
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To: risk
You obviously know more than the historians who have given the lion's share of the credit to the sustained military buildup during Ronald Reagan's two terms in the White House. The economic burden brought on by the unrelenting arms race is what collapsed the USSR's house of cards and nothing else.

When you were a child, if daddy had allowed you to hit the tree he was felling with your little toy hammer, you might tell yourself that you had a part in the process but that wouldn't make it so. The same holds true with the Vatican's intrusion into world politics, while it's a nuisance and entirely ineffectual, no one wants to be the one to hurt the child's feelings.

65 posted on 12/19/2004 3:48:25 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: dubyaismypresident

I've never urninated in my life.


66 posted on 12/19/2004 3:50:03 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Probably never made a typo either.


67 posted on 12/19/2004 3:51:09 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Happy December 19th, Impeachment Day)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

It was Gorbachev himself who acknowledged publicly the role of John Paul II in the fall of Communism. "What has happened in Eastern Europe in recent years would not have been possible without the presence of this Pope, without the great role even political that he has played on the world scene" (quoted in La Stampa, March 3, 1992).


68 posted on 12/19/2004 3:51:25 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

So you think that Pope John Paul II is a United States citizen?


69 posted on 12/19/2004 3:51:30 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: dubyaismypresident

I just figured that, as usual, you didn't know what you were talking about.


70 posted on 12/19/2004 3:53:09 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
John Paul II's 1979 trip was the fulcrum of revolution which led to the collapse of Communism. Timothy Garton Ash put it this way, "Without the Pope, no Solidarity. Without Solidarity, no Gorbachev. Without Gorbachev, no fall of Communism."

You getting the drift yet?

71 posted on 12/19/2004 3:53:27 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
So you think that Pope John Paul II is a United States citizen?

Uh, no.

72 posted on 12/19/2004 3:54:00 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; anonymoussierra
The economic burden brought on by the unrelenting arms race is what collapsed the USSR's house of cards and nothing else.

That's a very limited viewpoint from which to examine a complex event.

Winning the Cold War was a comprehensive process that included disparate forces ranging from the Pope to Alexandar Solzhenitsyn to the Allied military buildup. We won it for the entire human race and we won because it was liberty of all that we fought for. Force alone could not have defeated the Soviet Union as quickly and with as few casualties in the west as we did without the Pope. Many would say that God was with him, us, and the entire planet.

If you think we will win the war on terrorism with force alone, you'd be sadly mistaken again.

73 posted on 12/19/2004 3:54:05 PM PST by risk
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To: jwalsh07
Bwahahaha! Of course the egomaniac Gorbachev would not give full credit to Ronald Reagan's superior strategery. Poor Mikhail has been trying to insert himself into world politics ever since his star faded. He's even available for speaking engagements in the U.S. Now how hilarious is that?!!

Next thing you'll be quoting Jimmuh Carter.

74 posted on 12/19/2004 3:57:41 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
I should quote Jimmy Carter to you because you both occupy the left side of the Bell Curve and it is more than likely that you would understand each other well. But instead I will quote John Paul II:

"The fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decisions disappears."

Any of those words too big for ya, just let me know and I'll interpret.

75 posted on 12/19/2004 4:01:57 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Once again. Bwahahaha! Ash is a liberal Brit twit who practices his art of historical revisionism at the Hoover Institute. He's been on Jim Lehrer's little PBS news show on occasion.


76 posted on 12/19/2004 4:04:51 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: anonymoussierra; narses; NYer; jwalsh07

bump to j7's quote of JPII in #75


77 posted on 12/19/2004 4:05:47 PM PST by risk
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
I just figured that,

Took you that long? Getting slow in your old age?

78 posted on 12/19/2004 4:07:22 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Happy December 19th, Impeachment Day)
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To: jwalsh07

Pope John Paul II experienced communist oppression firsthand in Poland. To make the connection that he has a strong grasp on the fundamentals of Marxist socialism should be of no shock to anyone who reads the news. If that is indeed a direct quote from the pope, then I would applaud his clinical definition of life in socialist state.


79 posted on 12/19/2004 4:11:16 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; risk; All

""I want you each to remember how much pope John Paul II has done for freedom in the world.
Please list some of Pope John Paul II's, or for that matter the Vatican's, accomplishments that have resulted in freedom for formerly oppressed peoples."One Solidarnosc! Two atack evil comunist what it is evil! three Ronald Reagan and Jan Pawel II help free persons! four you do not know what you write I do not write english well I do know my Papiez Jan Pawel II is that person do know what is good what is evil. I do not know do you know what comunist is I do know well what is comunist I do know well what my papiez Jan Pawel II do to my country Poland. Thank you


80 posted on 12/19/2004 4:15:55 PM PST by anonymoussierra
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