Pope Condemns Same Sex Union as Attack on Society

Yahoo News ^ | December 18, 2004

[jwalsh07]

Google Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II and see what you come up with.

[jwalsh07]

Pope John Paul II is not a citizen of the United States of America and his opinons are no more welcome here than are those of the U.N.'s Secretary General.

Says you. And you don't speak for me any more than the idiots on TV do.

[risk]

I might agree with you if John Paul II hadn't done so much for freedom during the Cold War. If Reagan were alive today, he would agree with me.

Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan and the Collapse of Communism Examined by Reagan's National Security Advisor

[NeoCaveman]

Hey O.C. isn't there a South Park thread somewhere for you to urninate on?

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

You obviously know more than the historians who have given the lion's share of the credit to the sustained military buildup during Ronald Reagan's two terms in the White House. The economic burden brought on by the unrelenting arms race is what collapsed the USSR's house of cards and nothing else.

When you were a child, if daddy had allowed you to hit the tree he was felling with your little toy hammer, you might tell yourself that you had a part in the process but that wouldn't make it so. The same holds true with the Vatican's intrusion into world politics, while it's a nuisance and entirely ineffectual, no one wants to be the one to hurt the child's feelings.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

I've never urninated in my life.

[NeoCaveman]

Probably never made a typo either.

[jwalsh07]

It was Gorbachev himself who acknowledged publicly the role of John Paul II in the fall of Communism. "What has happened in Eastern Europe in recent years would not have been possible without the presence of this Pope, without the great role even political that he has played on the world scene" (quoted in La Stampa, March 3, 1992).

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

So you think that Pope John Paul II is a United States citizen?

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

I just figured that, as usual, you didn't know what you were talking about.

[jwalsh07]

John Paul II's 1979 trip was the fulcrum of revolution which led to the collapse of Communism. Timothy Garton Ash put it this way, "Without the Pope, no Solidarity. Without Solidarity, no Gorbachev. Without Gorbachev, no fall of Communism."

You getting the drift yet?

[jwalsh07]

So you think that Pope John Paul II is a United States citizen?

Uh, no.

[risk]

The economic burden brought on by the unrelenting arms race is what collapsed the USSR's house of cards and nothing else.

That's a very limited viewpoint from which to examine a complex event.

Winning the Cold War was a comprehensive process that included disparate forces ranging from the Pope to Alexandar Solzhenitsyn to the Allied military buildup. We won it for the entire human race and we won because it was liberty of all that we fought for. Force alone could not have defeated the Soviet Union as quickly and with as few casualties in the west as we did without the Pope. Many would say that God was with him, us, and the entire planet.

If you think we will win the war on terrorism with force alone, you'd be sadly mistaken again.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

Bwahahaha! Of course the egomaniac Gorbachev would not give full credit to Ronald Reagan's superior strategery. Poor Mikhail has been trying to insert himself into world politics ever since his star faded. He's even available for speaking engagements in the U.S. Now how hilarious is that?!!

Next thing you'll be quoting Jimmuh Carter.

[jwalsh07]

I should quote Jimmy Carter to you because you both occupy the left side of the Bell Curve and it is more than likely that you would understand each other well. But instead I will quote John Paul II:

"The fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decisions disappears."

Any of those words too big for ya, just let me know and I'll interpret.

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

Once again. Bwahahaha! Ash is a liberal Brit twit who practices his art of historical revisionism at the Hoover Institute. He's been on Jim Lehrer's little PBS news show on occasion.

[risk]

bump to j7's quote of JPII in #75

[NeoCaveman]

I just figured that,

Took you that long? Getting slow in your old age?

[O.C. - Old Cracker]

Pope John Paul II experienced communist oppression firsthand in Poland. To make the connection that he has a strong grasp on the fundamentals of Marxist socialism should be of no shock to anyone who reads the news. If that is indeed a direct quote from the pope, then I would applaud his clinical definition of life in socialist state.

[anonymoussierra]

""I want you each to remember how much pope John Paul II has done for freedom in the world.
Please list some of Pope John Paul II's, or for that matter the Vatican's, accomplishments that have resulted in freedom for formerly oppressed peoples."One Solidarnosc! Two atack evil comunist what it is evil! three Ronald Reagan and Jan Pawel II help free persons! four you do not know what you write I do not write english well I do know my Papiez Jan Pawel II is that person do know what is good what is evil. I do not know do you know what comunist is I do know well what is comunist I do know well what my papiez Jan Pawel II do to my country Poland. Thank you