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Canada: Use of Sharia law by Muslims okay, report says
Toronto Star ^ | 12/20/04 | CANADIAN PRESS

Posted on 12/20/2004 11:51:43 AM PST by Pikamax

Use of Sharia law by Muslims okay, report says

CANADIAN PRESS

Ontario Muslims should have the same rights as Roman Catholics and Jews in the province to seek arbitration based on religious law for family disputes and inheritance cases, a report by former attorney general Marion Boyd concludes.

"The Arbitration Act should continue to allow disputes to be arbitrated using religious law," Boyd recommends in her report to the Ontario government.

Boyd was appointed to study the issue after the Islamic Institute for Civil Justice requested the right to offer religious-based arbitrations for family disputes based on Sharia law.

The proposal ran into opposition from women's groups, legal organizations and the Muslim Canadian Congress, who all warned that the 1,400-year-old Sharia law does not view women as equal.

But Boyd determined that Ontario should continue to allow religious-based arbitrations and mediations, including Sharia law, and recommended strengthening protections by requiring both parties to first seek independent legal advice.

However, another of her 46 recommendations would allow people seeking mediation to waive independent legal advice.

Boyd also recommends that mediators screen each party separately about issues of power imbalance and domestic violence before they enter into an arbitration agreement.

She also said the government should work with mediators and other professional organizations to develop a standard screening process for domestic violence.

A spokesman said Attorney General Michael Bryant would not be available today to comment on the report, but added the government would study Boyd's findings "very closely


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KEYWORDS: canada; canuckistan; canukistan
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1 posted on 12/20/2004 11:51:43 AM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Time to start stoning the Canadians.


2 posted on 12/20/2004 11:52:50 AM PST by Mike1973
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To: Pikamax

Oh, Canada! Enjoy your dhimmitude.....Been nice knowin' ya!....BYE!....


3 posted on 12/20/2004 11:53:45 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: Pikamax

So if a Muslim wants to commit an honor killing the arbitator would split the difference and recommend an honor ass kicking instead?


4 posted on 12/20/2004 11:53:51 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Pikamax

As long as they don't say "Merry Christmas" - who cares?


5 posted on 12/20/2004 11:53:52 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Mike1973

Wait until the first open stoning of a woman for adultry. One guarter of the crowd will be thrilled, one will be angry at the fact only the female is being stoned, one quarter will be saying how nice it is to be honoring someone's religion and the fourth....will be filming it....


6 posted on 12/20/2004 11:55:14 AM PST by freecopper01 (God will grant us the strength for the battle: Will we have the courage to use it?)
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To: Pikamax

Why does the world kowtow so much to muslims? I find it tough to believe that the Canadians would be so overeager to bend over backwards for the Jews, Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists etc...if given the opportunity.


7 posted on 12/20/2004 11:56:20 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Up is down, Black is white but I do *NOT* love Big Brother)
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To: Pikamax

Bye Bye, Can Ahh Duh !!!


8 posted on 12/20/2004 11:56:44 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Pikamax

So, all Canadians need to do to get around spousal inheritance is to claim that it is against their religion and the family takes back the family business and the wife becomes a ward of the state. Great, I guess that means that Suha Arafat should not inherit either. Or did I miss read the article?


9 posted on 12/20/2004 11:58:04 AM PST by Eva
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To: Red Badger
But ALL Muslims aren't slaughtering us infidels and acting like seventh-century savages and sexually mutilating little girls and opently declaring their intention to dominate the world and cutting women's fingers off for wearing fingernail polish and lying to us as a Koranic "virtue" and whipping little boys to death for eating in public during Ramadan and shooting infants point blank in the head and oppressing every other religion on their "holy" Muslim lands and issuing fatwas on everybody who displeases them and burning churches and destroying ancient statues and taking shool children hostage for rape and murder and kidnapping people for slavery and ravaging through civilized nations in rape gangs and sniping innocent people in Washington D.C. and fragging their American officers and sabotaging parachute straps and declaring war on America and bombing nightclubs and slitting the throats of aid workers and dancing in the streets on 9/11 or murdering Muslims who convert to any other religion. Until fully 100% of Muslims do this you can't criticize or be suspicious of Islam. Please be reasonable and wait until EVERY infidel is slaughtered before you call the Religion of Peace into question. (gag!)

I guess Canada decided to:

How about we just seal off BOTH borders.
10 posted on 12/20/2004 11:59:07 AM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: GeekDejure

I think can hear the "call to prayer" over the newly installed public address systems already!


11 posted on 12/20/2004 12:01:00 PM PST by liberateUS
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To: GeekDejure

But, but, but, maybe Sharia law is actually intelligent and thoughtful and, and, and GOOD! Perhaps you owe Shariah law an apology. (/sarcasm)


12 posted on 12/20/2004 12:01:15 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Mike1973

But it's LEGAL to get stoned in Canada, isn't it?


13 posted on 12/20/2004 12:03:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Pikamax

I don't see a problem. It's basically communities solving disputes themselves without taking up the resources of the public court system. It's fine as long as all participants agree to the arbitration and have a right to take it to the court system instead. In some cases women might come out ahead as opposed to arbitration based on other fundamentalist religious tradition (but probably not as opposed to the secular courts).


14 posted on 12/20/2004 12:09:14 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Arkie2

Only if a hockey stick was involved of course...


15 posted on 12/20/2004 12:11:06 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Billthedrill

These is nothing wait until all the demwits move and want no laws.this will be fun.


16 posted on 12/20/2004 12:11:42 PM PST by jocko12
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To: Pikamax

A prime example of the flawed thinking that the left embraces.


17 posted on 12/20/2004 12:13:17 PM PST by tkathy (The Bluenecks need to get over it.)
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To: broadsword
"How about we just seal off BOTH borders."

Looks like we're going to have to do just that.

18 posted on 12/20/2004 12:15:00 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Pikamax; rmlew
Canada: Use of Sharia law by Muslims okay, report says

Canada: Non Use of Sharia law by Dhimmies not okay, say Muslims


19 posted on 12/20/2004 12:19:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Pikamax

Are we now going to see stonings and beheadings in Canada? I didn't think they still practiced capital punishment!


20 posted on 12/20/2004 12:20:43 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pikamax
NOTICE TO ALL CANADIAN CITIZENS:
Apply NOW for immigration to the United States, as it will take some years to process your application (there's a waiting list ya know).
21 posted on 12/20/2004 12:24:56 PM PST by Edgerunner (Don't pay attention to me, ..I haven't been here long enough to have any credibility...)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I don't see a problem. It's basically communities solving disputes themselves without taking up the resources of the public court system.

You need to read up more about Islam. When they get a inch, they demand another inch. Then they claim they are under oppression if they are denied to implement their entire Sharia law. If they want to move to a western country, they should adopt western laws.

22 posted on 12/20/2004 12:25:59 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Pikamax

Canada has ceased to exist.


23 posted on 12/20/2004 12:26:07 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Edgerunner

Cool. All the Amerikan libs can emigrate to Cnadistan for a dutiful beheading and the good Canadian conservatives can immigrate to America. THEN we seal the borders!


24 posted on 12/20/2004 12:27:03 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: broadsword

Great animation!


25 posted on 12/20/2004 12:27:52 PM PST by Edgerunner (Don't pay attention to me, ..I haven't been here long enough to have any credibility...)
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To: aimhigh
A slight corection, if you please, FRiend: If they want to move to a western country, they should... be told to pack sand.
26 posted on 12/20/2004 12:28:41 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Edgerunner
I agree. Any christian Canadian should apply for American citizenship.

The muslims now own Canada. How tragic.

27 posted on 12/20/2004 12:28:56 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Edgerunner

I wish I could say I made it. When I first saw it, I nearly died laughing. I couldn't help thinking of the "second" list on my about page. The sad thing is that they will get good Americans burned with them. Idiots!


28 posted on 12/20/2004 12:30:38 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Pikamax

It'll never play in Peoria. Maybe in Michigan.


29 posted on 12/20/2004 12:31:07 PM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: antiRepublicrat
"I don't see a problem. It's basically communities solving disputes themselves"

No, there is a much bigger problem. You need to put yourself in the place of these Muslim women. If you go with Sharia in a divorce case, you assured to lose everything, kids, alimony, everything. If they go with Canadian law, you would get your share (many would say more than your share, but that's for another thread).

Yes, you can opt out of Sharia Law. But what happens next, your family and entire community disowns you. You may even find yourself the victim of an "honor killing". In the end, you have no choice but to abide by Sharia Law.

That's the problem. Once you set up a parallel legal system, be it "voluntary" or not, you're basically enslaving the Muslim women and giving them no hope of freedom. In effect, they can no longer use the Canadian system, which would have treated them as something more than cattle. If everyone had to live under the Canadian system, the men would simply lose their dominance.

If anything is going to bring Islam into 19th century (you have to start somewhere) in the West, it will be their women rejecting the scam, as they see Western women given true freedom.

The Canadians have done the Muslim men a huge favor and closed off that escape path. They will soon see the results.
30 posted on 12/20/2004 12:34:42 PM PST by BobL
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To: antiRepublicrat

This is exactly how they started 'splitting off' in other countries. Nigeria, etc. Think inccrementally.


31 posted on 12/20/2004 12:38:25 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench

You're right - it does sound a lot like Nigeria. And stoning over there is not the imagination of some Freepers - it is real and it is deadly.


32 posted on 12/20/2004 12:39:52 PM PST by BobL
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To: monkeywrench
It's done by piece-meal, that way, not too many notice till it's too late.

DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

33 posted on 12/20/2004 12:40:18 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Eva
So, all Canadians need to do to get around spousal inheritance is to claim that it is against their religion and the family takes back the family business and the wife becomes a ward of the state.

No. Decisions by Sharia arbitrators cannot contravene Canadian law or public policy. It's the same as if you had a Rabbi handle your arbitration for you.

34 posted on 12/20/2004 12:41:21 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mike1973

This is gunna get really interesting really fast.


35 posted on 12/20/2004 12:41:58 PM PST by Holicheese (Mmmmmmm clam chowder.)
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To: GeekDejure

But hockey season coencides with Ramadan.
NO HOCKEY FOR YOU


36 posted on 12/20/2004 12:42:56 PM PST by Holicheese (Mmmmmmm clam chowder.)
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To: aimhigh
You need to read up more about Islam. When they get a inch, they demand another inch. Then they claim they are under oppression if they are denied to implement their entire Sharia law. If they want to move to a western country, they should adopt western laws.

Arbitrations under Sharia law have been legal in the US for several decades. You and I can agree to have our dispute settled under Japanese, Sharia or Klingon law, if we want to.

37 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:16 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BobL
This is precisely what I was thinking. The Muslim communities will probably actively dissuade the Muslim people from using the Canadian system and ostracize those who don't.

Multiculturalism does no one any good. Behind the pin-ups of children holding hands across the globe plastered inside every classroom in the Western world is a divisive inner core. Keep culture associated with geography.

Apf
38 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:50 PM PST by APFel (Humanity has a poor track record of predicting its own future.)
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To: Holicheese

Well..they're just about to cancel the NHL season..now they can go ahead and cancel the whole country..


39 posted on 12/20/2004 12:43:58 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: Modernman
" No. Decisions by Sharia arbitrators cannot contravene Canadian law or public policy."

If you pardon the expression, "my rear end". If what you say were true, then it wouldn't be necessary to have Sharia law in the first place, since it simply duplicate Canadian law.

No, there won't be any stonings in Canada, for the time being, but there is no reason to believe that Sharia will exactly mimic Canadian law either. For if that were the case, the clerics (I love that term) would be wasting their time with it - when they could be doing much more useful things, like teaching marksmanship.
40 posted on 12/20/2004 12:47:03 PM PST by BobL
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To: Pikamax

If a woman gets beaten by her husband under this law would it be illegal for the local hospital to treat her since she was duely punished? Might be disrespectful to the culture to toss her a band aid.


41 posted on 12/20/2004 12:47:46 PM PST by Hillwoman
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To: Modernman

" Arbitrations under Sharia law have been legal in the US for several decades."

WHERE. What court in this country recognizes Sharia Law. We all want to know, so we can shut that down.


42 posted on 12/20/2004 12:49:14 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL; pbrown
The next step for them is to say something like, "Your laws are not suitable for islam, we need to go by our own laws. But, don't worry, we only want this for islamics, everyone else is exempt.".

The next step, when they have majority is, "You all need to follow sharia." That's when the bloodshed and bombings start. They never seem to deviate from this scenario.

43 posted on 12/20/2004 12:49:53 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: aimhigh
If they want to move to a western country, they should adopt western laws.

And they do. But how is this different from letting the rabbi or priest decide things?

44 posted on 12/20/2004 12:53:56 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: monkeywrench
Sortta' like the route to gay marriage.

If sharia includes Islamism, it's gotta' go.

45 posted on 12/20/2004 12:55:16 PM PST by onedoug
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To: monkeywrench

"The next step, when they have majority is, 'You all need to follow sharia.'"

That really sounds like northern Nigeria.

My thoughts were a bit different. In a short story that I wrote, the French government agrees to a moderate Muslim mayor's request that a European version of Sharia be allowed. Rather than cutting off your hand for shoplifting, you immobilize it for a couple of months in locking metal cast. Needless to say, the moderate Muslim then loses a later election, and a more extreme (mainstream, if you will) Muslim takes over, and starts chopping off hands.

That's how they'll do it.


46 posted on 12/20/2004 12:55:34 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
Down the road a few years after the Muslims set up their separate and equal government we will begin to have our own problems when they begin to export their violence south of the border.
The logistics of fighting that war are far easier than the one we are in now. Hey Canada, we do not care where the terrorists come from, we will go there and fight them. It's the Bush Doctrine, it's real, it's now, and it's working.
47 posted on 12/20/2004 12:55:34 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: BobL
If you pardon the expression, "my rear end". If what you say were true, then it wouldn't be necessary to have Sharia law in the first place, since it simply duplicate Canadian law.

When I say that decisions cannot contravene with Canadian law, that means that they can't break the law. For example, an arbitrator cannot rule that your hand must be chopped off for violating a contract. He can, however, rule that since two parties agreed to follow Sharia in their loan, one party charging interest is a violation of the contract, as an example.

No, there won't be any stonings in Canada, for the time being, but there is no reason to believe that Sharia will exactly mimic Canadian law either.

Arbitrations of any sort do not need to exactly mimic the law, whether in Canada or the US. You can do things like agree to waive your rights to a jury, agree to evidentiary rules that would not pass muster in regular court etc.

Arbitrations are private proceedings, so they can follow different rules than regular court cases.

48 posted on 12/20/2004 12:55:46 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mike1973

Welcome to Canuckistan.


49 posted on 12/20/2004 12:56:13 PM PST by Terabitten (Proud member of the Free Republic wolfpack)
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To: monkeywrench

Incremental steps. They have begun.


50 posted on 12/20/2004 12:57:27 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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