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Immigration bill won't come easy in new Congress
sacbee ^ | 12-25-04

Posted on 12/25/2004 1:07:19 PM PST by LouAvul

WASHINGTON - Everyone considers immigration reform a top priority when Congress reconvenes next month. But no one agrees what "reform" means.

"I fully understand the politics of immigration reform," President Bush assured reporters this week. Many lawmakers, including the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, call tougher enforcement the centerpiece of reform. Many others interpret reform as a code word for a guest-worker program that puts illegal immigrants on track toward a green card.

This apparent contradiction could doom legislation. Or perhaps Capitol Hill's long immigration stalemate could be broken by some deft combination of getting tough and giving hope.

"A lot of people have said that could be a good compromise," Mariposa Republican Rep. George Radanovich said. "It depends on who you want to please to get a bill passed."

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Dubbed AgJobs, the bill would give several hundred thousand illegal immigrants working in agriculture the chance to attain legal residency and, in time, U.S. citizenship.

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Following the lead of the House Judiciary Committee chairman, Wisconsin Republican James Sensenbrenner, Radanovich was one of 67 House Republicans to vote against a big intelligence overhaul bill because it failed to take a tough enough line against illegal immigration.

"Immigration reform and border security are paramount to ensure American safety," Radanovich said. "Why were those massive issues not factored into this (intelligence) legislation?"

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In particular, conservatives denounced the immigration bill because it dropped a provision banning states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants and another provision limiting appeals for immigrants facing deportation. Sensenbrenner now promises to revive the proposals first thing next year.

"Denying illegal aliens driver's licenses is the right thing to do," Sensenbrenner said on CNN.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agjobs; aliens; bush43; chriscannon; howardberman; immigrantlist; immigrationplan; larrycraig; tedkennedy
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To: jveritas

Attack, attack, attack. It is so disgusting!


21 posted on 12/25/2004 4:29:48 PM PST by meenie
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To: meenie; COEXERJ145
Man you deceived us! we do not know who you are and we cannot tell that you are being sarcastic.

You are so smart! (now I am being sarcastic)

22 posted on 12/25/2004 4:55:13 PM PST by jveritas
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To: JustAnotherSavage
What a joke. If these two were as smart as they think they are it might be different.

McCain gave us that monstrosity of a law on political advertising. Wasn't it effective?

Just because he currently has a residence in AZ, doesn't mean he is conversant with the AZ problems - when we call or write the chances of hearing anything in response are nill.

I truly think this forum has the intelligent people to draft a piece of legislation that could do what is needed. At least as well if not better than those two clowns.
24 posted on 12/25/2004 5:39:01 PM PST by momf ( Immigrant =came the correct way; IIlegal = criminal)
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To: momf
It's not like the needed legislation would have to be terribly intricate. Just some appropriations for increased Border Patrol numbers and a barrier of some sort along the border. It could consist of a triple-layer fence with coiled barbed wire in between the layers, and electronic sensors much like what Israel has on the West Bank.

And the expense would truly be minimal compared to the size of the federal budget. The people in Washington take to acting as though this would be some huge involved project akin to building a manned base on Mars. It's nothing of the sort.

25 posted on 12/25/2004 6:00:55 PM PST by inquest (Now is the time to remove the leftist influence from the GOP. "Unity" can wait.)
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To: LouAvul

Oh! contrair he (is) responsible for the continueing mess on immigration because he is 100% behind this thing and expects all his underlings to sign off on his Amnesty Plan! He could solve this dilemma overnight by simply doing the will of over 80% of the voting American Tax paying public voters. It is his issue to lose and it could cost him in ways he doesn't want to consider. Impeachment is not out of the question because this issue is life changing for millions of frustrated voters! This issue is not negotiable its a "NO_BRAINER"; assuming you have a Brain!


26 posted on 12/25/2004 6:35:45 PM PST by winker
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


27 posted on 12/25/2004 10:31:29 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: jveritas
Even on Christmas day they cannot stop their obsession with the immigration issue and their savage attacks against President Bush.

Unlike those FReepers who blindly worship Bush as if he were the Messiah and who feel that everything he says and does is the gospel and should never be challenged under any circumstances.

28 posted on 12/25/2004 10:34:32 PM PST by usadave
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To: LouAvul
Bush is not responsible for the immigration mess. He did not cause it. He simply inherited it.

And he doesn't care about it.

It is not racist to point out the obvious, viz., America can no longer economically, socially, or culturally assimilate massive numbers of third-worlders.

Of course not. We simply cannot live with people who have radically different customs and lifestyles from our own if they are not prepared to leave their old life completely behind.

My mother knew a woman from Catholic school who fell in love with a Middle Eastern Muslim man who was working at an American firm. Against her parents' protests, she married him, and later found out that he wanted to take her and the children back to his home country. If he had succeeded (I don't know if he did) in persuading her to go, she would almost certainly have found herself unable to leave with her kids. (This, of course, was the plot of Not Without My Daughter [a true story], but such dilemmas occur with distressing frequencies.)

29 posted on 12/25/2004 11:21:53 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: NewRomeTacitus
McCain, Kennedy and the President are not seeking reform - they're attempting to deform immigration policy while rewarding criminal behavior for the sake of their moneyed contributors.

That's the facts in a nutshell...

30 posted on 12/25/2004 11:31:57 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

Selling out to special interests. They are not so stupid as to realize that it is against the best interests of the United States to control its borders. One world socialist government is the overriding reason.


31 posted on 12/26/2004 12:35:48 AM PST by meenie
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To: JustAnotherSavage
McCain (CFR, miserable failure) and The Swimmer (NCLB, miserable failure) combine their proven worthless talents to give us criminal alien reform? Oh, goody, I can hardly wait.

Time for Tancredo and friends to make a major move.
32 posted on 12/26/2004 1:30:45 AM PST by upchuck (I support the right of leftists to damage their credibility by saying stupid things out loud. MAdams)
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To: LouAvul

Tell that to the Open Borders Lobby and their friends in the Republican and Democratic Parties.


33 posted on 12/26/2004 1:34:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: jveritas
Even on Christmas day they cannot stop their obsession with the immigration issue and their savage attacks against President Bush.

We didn't drag this turd into the living room; politician G. Bush did. Blame him for upsetting the holiday season.

34 posted on 12/26/2004 2:00:01 AM PST by dagnabbit (Defeat Politician G. Bush's Dishonest Amnesty Scheme. No Mexico Merger. No Global Labor Market.)
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To: LouAvul
"Several points. 1) Bush is not responsible for the immigration mess. He did not cause it. He simply inherited it."

Bush has made the problem no better by his asinine "guest-worker" amnesty plan - but increased the number attempting to cross the border illegally.

"2) It is not racist to point out the obvious, viz., America can no longer economically, socially, or culturally assimilate massive numbers of third-worlders."

Correct, but it is racist to target one group of illegals with an amnesty plan while discriminating against others - ie. the government's OTM arrests.

"It is time to exercise common sense principles in immigration."

Legalization by deportation - not legislation is the only common sense avenue for illegals. Bankruptcy is the only common sense avenue for felon employers.

35 posted on 12/26/2004 2:56:53 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: LouAvul

They are all the same, and as Travis points out they are all buddies at places like Davos.


36 posted on 12/26/2004 6:45:48 AM PST by junta (junta, "is one uppity cracker")
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To: azhenfud
Correct, but it is racist to target one group of illegals with an amnesty plan while discriminating against others - ie. the government's OTM arrests.

Yes --- and if we need immigrants we need them from a mix of countries, from a mix of backgrounds and languages --- which makes immigrants quickly realize the importance of a common language. It's one thing when you have a shop of Polish, Germans, Dutch, and Greeks working together --- they will soon realize it's a good thing to be able to communicate. We need to get back to the melting pot type of immigration --- not barring Haitians looking for a better life while giving unlimited rights to only Mexicans. Also immigration and travel and study rights to the USA should be limited to our allies --- look at the countries fighting with us in Iraq --- and look at which ones are not. The Polish people support us, so do the people in El Salvador --- the Mexican people do not.

37 posted on 12/26/2004 8:51:34 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Penny
GWB's "compassion" is illogical and far from compassionate.

And it's only making the problems in Mexico much worse. More abandoned children growing up fending for themselves in the streets of Mexico, more poverty back home, more desperate levels of immigration --- more deaths on the border, skyrocketing crime in Mexico. It's not as though any of this is helping anyone at all.

38 posted on 12/26/2004 8:54:48 AM PST by FITZ
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To: LouAvul

It's only the JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON'T DO....

:o)


39 posted on 12/26/2004 9:00:11 AM PST by traumer
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To: FITZ
Yes --- and if we need immigrants we need them from a mix of countries, from a mix of backgrounds and languages

--- the Mexican people do not.

.Many good points in your post as usual.

Someone in the media needs to expose how the Mexican elites are exported their poor to this country. If the roles were reversed and it was the US trying to get rid of its non-white poor, the ruckus from the media would be enormous.

40 posted on 12/26/2004 9:08:28 AM PST by Missouri
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