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"Mercedes-Benz doesn't believe there's a problem..."

The first step to healing is to admit your problem.

1 posted on 12/26/2004 4:36:27 PM PST by Brilliant
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Its seats are adjustable 14 ways, and they are ventilated by a system that uses eight fans to whisk away perspiration.

It's a life saver when driving through France.

2 posted on 12/26/2004 4:39:30 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ( ----- HERTZ: We're #1 ----- AVIS: We're #2 We Try Harder ----- CBS: We're #3 We LIE Harder)
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I've heard this about the new 7 series BMWs, plus they are not a good looking car at all. BMW is dreaming if they think their usual buyers are not concerned. The BMW enthusiasts' boards are death on these new ones! My 98 740iL, on the other hand, is a dream car. I hope it lasts 300,000 miles!


3 posted on 12/26/2004 4:41:29 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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I did an engine swap in a friend's 1987 3-series BMW just this past week. What a nice car to work on. Nothing so complex on it that an intelligent do-it-yourselfer couldn't figure it out. I'd hate to dig into a new Bimmer, though. It'd probably be like working on the Space Shuttle (or maybe the Death Star, given the sinister looking interiors in the new Bavarians...).


4 posted on 12/26/2004 4:42:06 PM PST by Yardstick
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My family had Mercedes through the 60s and the 70s, and they were constantly breaking down. As soon as Nissan came out with the Maxima, we ditched them.


5 posted on 12/26/2004 4:43:44 PM PST by proxy_user
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"The Mercedes-Benz S-Class has a computer-driven suspension system that reduces body roll as the vehicle whips around a corner."

Mrs. Felis' '95 Caprice has the "sport suspension." Nice thick anti-roll bars, stiff shocks, hard springs. Corners like a go-kart, and you can throttle-steer it. Plus, no computer to break...


6 posted on 12/26/2004 4:46:17 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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I do the Japanese models myself. The G35 works like a dream.


7 posted on 12/26/2004 4:49:36 PM PST by Raffus (Thanks to all Veterans for their service to our Country.)
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The proper philosophical outlook on this, is that by buying a German car, you are getting a reliable Italian car. Car enthusists will understand this. Others will likely be puzzled.


8 posted on 12/26/2004 4:51:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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BTTT


12 posted on 12/26/2004 4:57:12 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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I've always preferred cheap, practical cars. I switched over from VW to Toyota about 20 years ago, and I can't imagine buying another European car. At the moment I'm driving a Subaru, because of the Vermont winters, but if I were further south I think I'd stick with Toyota.

It's the same reason I use Dell computers. Excellent quality at a very good price. The only possible reason I can think of to buy a Mercedes is if you have money coming out of your ears and a deep need to impress your neighbors.


13 posted on 12/26/2004 4:57:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Friend just bought an M55. Already there are serious computer problems.


16 posted on 12/26/2004 5:06:32 PM PST by shellshocked
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The more gagets and gizmos that you put on a car, the more stuff that there is to break.


17 posted on 12/26/2004 5:06:35 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Give me a Lexus, or two. Something that works every time and you only know the service reps because of routine maintenance.

It aint the luxery. It's the quality... and it works every time.

20 posted on 12/26/2004 5:11:55 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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Avoid cars made in socialist countries such as Germany. Also avoid Nissan, which is controlled by the French Renault. Avoid Michelin.


21 posted on 12/26/2004 5:16:55 PM PST by foofoopowder
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Mrs.L's pre-owned, "certified", Sedan de Ville is a joy to drive, plus the 28MPG is nice at fill-up time.

If she didn't have to have want a full-sized rig, she would be in a rice-burner also...prolly a Maxima.

26 posted on 12/26/2004 5:27:24 PM PST by lodwick
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The Mercedes I owned was the biggest POS ever.

It'd've been cheaper to have had a mistress.

Now the happy owner of an affordable, reliable Toyota (but no mistress).


29 posted on 12/26/2004 5:32:57 PM PST by martin_fierro (Hines Ward is my son! OK, not really, but it'd be nice.)
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I test drove used BMW's (700 series), Mercedes-benz (500 series) and Mercury Grand Marquis.

They were all between 5-10 years old. The 95 Grand Marquis was the superior car.

It was solid, quiet ( no rattling, no loose switches etc) and handled beautifully. Lots of power.

It was definitely better, and far simpler.

Keep It Simple.


34 posted on 12/26/2004 5:40:40 PM PST by Mark Felton (We are free because we are Christian. There is no other reason.)
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High-volume production is conducive to quality. The more expense the car, the lower the volume and, statistically perhaps, the lower the quality.


37 posted on 12/26/2004 5:48:24 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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Everybody is strugling with quality problems

They all think Computer Aided Design and computer controls are are wonderful

Cars were easier to fix and more reliable pre computer anything


40 posted on 12/26/2004 6:03:28 PM PST by uncbob
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As a former automotive design engineer, I can tell you "the most celebrated and technologically advanced" features and functions are a) engineered in an irrationally compressed timeframe to satisfy the program manager's (and corporate's) exceptionally aggressive schedule, b) thoroughly tested by "simulation" and only partially tested with real hardware because it costs money and time to actually test "real" hardware (and the models are SOOOO good [NOT!]), and c) manufactured in an outsourced, non-English speaking country, where manufacturing engineering is sporatic at best.

And of course, these are put on the most expensive cars, because the technology is not solid enough to put in the high volume cars until the "bugs" are worked out (can you say Recall?).

Give me a low-tech clunker ANY day - I can pop the hood and actually WORK on it. ;-)

44 posted on 12/26/2004 6:09:36 PM PST by SpiritualPatriot
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46 posted on 12/26/2004 6:14:00 PM PST by KeyWest
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