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Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp (Vietnam Human Rights Bill)
International Christian Concern ^ | 12/27/2004 | Montagnard Foundation

Posted on 12/27/2004 5:36:00 AM PST by miltonim

Keep in prayer for the Vietnam Human Rights Bill. It is presently in the Senate after passing by a wide margin in the House.

If you have any doubt about whether the Bill should pass, take a look at the picture below of an actual re-education camp in Vietnam provided by the Montagnard Foundation. Re-education camps are where believers are typically sent.

Stay tuned as we will post a picture per day over the next 4 days.


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12/26/2004 Vietnam
Picture 3 of a Vietnamese Re-Education Camp

Keep in prayer for the Vietnam Human Rights Bill. It is presently in the Senate after passing by a wide margin in the House.

If you have any doubt about whether the Bill should pass, take a look at the picture below of an actual re-education camp in Vietnam provided by the Montagnard Foundation. Re-education camps are where believers are typically sent.

Stay tuned as we will post 4 pictures, one per day for 4 days. 


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12/25/2004 Vietnam
Picture 2 of A Vietnamese Re-Education Camp

Keep in prayer for the Vietnam Human Rights Bill. It is presently in the Senate after passing by a wide margin in the House.

If you have any doubt about whether the Bill should pass, take a look at the picture below of an actual re-education camp in Vietnam provided by the Montagnard Foundation. Re-education camps are where believers are typically sent.

Stay tuned as we will post a picture per day over the next 4 days.


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12/24/2004 Vietnam
Picture 1 of A Vietnamese Re-Education Camp

Keep in prayer for the Vietnam Human Rights Bill. It is presently in the Senate after passing by a wide margin in the House.

If you have any doubt about whether the Bill should pass, take a look at the picture below of an actual re-education camp in Vietnam provided by the Montagnard Foundation. Re-education camps are where believers are typically sent.

Stay tuned as we will post a picture per day over the next 4 days.

 

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1 posted on 12/27/2004 5:36:01 AM PST by miltonim
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To: miltonim
It's just part of the 'reunification' process.

Ask any liberal who still believes that abandoning the Vietnamese was the right thing to do.

These pictures, if real, reinforce my belief that this is what we fought for.

K, Viet Nam 1968-69

2 posted on 12/27/2004 5:41:47 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: miltonim
"Re-education camps are where believers are typically sent."

Believers?

In what?

3 posted on 12/27/2004 5:42:40 AM PST by G.Mason ("The foundation of morality is to have done, once and for all, with lying" Thomas Henry Huxley)
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To: miltonim
.........fought for."

How about 'fought against'.

4 posted on 12/27/2004 5:44:03 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: miltonim

Are these images contemporary?


5 posted on 12/27/2004 5:46:41 AM PST by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: miltonim
But the left-wing democrats said that these were their best friends and as with all Communist were the kind of people that they admired.
6 posted on 12/27/2004 5:49:26 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: miltonim
Re: my post #3

I wasn't able to open any of those "Montagnard Foundation" links.

I got the top link to work, and I now understand.

Thanks

7 posted on 12/27/2004 5:49:35 AM PST by G.Mason ("The foundation of morality is to have done, once and for all, with lying" Thomas Henry Huxley)
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To: G.Mason

Believers in freedom for one thing.

My wife's best friend has a relative currently in reeducation for his heinous thought crimes.


8 posted on 12/27/2004 5:55:34 AM PST by angkor
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To: kahoutek
These pictures, if real,

Those are definitely N. Vietnamese helmets and uniforms. When the photos were taken, who knows.

9 posted on 12/27/2004 5:58:37 AM PST by angkor
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To: YOUGOTIT

this must be one of the places CBS went for interviews with John Kerrys real band of brothers.


10 posted on 12/27/2004 6:00:24 AM PST by bdfromlv (leavenworth hard time)
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To: YOUGOTIT

But the left-wing democrats said that these were their best friends and as with all Communist were the kind of people that they admired.
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Yeah, just go back and review all the pictures of Bonnie and Clyde pandering to the Viet Namese COMMIES before they were 'thrown out of the White House'. Only the COMMIES, and other enemies of America, want anything to do with the far-left.


11 posted on 12/27/2004 6:00:29 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: miltonim

John Kerry sits on the Board of Directors, right?


12 posted on 12/27/2004 6:01:12 AM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: kahoutek
I've never been able to decide whether or not there was any ratinoal cause in Nam. I've seen interviews with South Vietnamese who claimed they were sharecroppers under the old regime with no possibility of owning land, that the VC split up and old plantatations and pretty much gave them the land that they'd been working forever, and that then the south (temporarily) retook the area and immediately gave all the land back to the absentee landlords.

That sort of thing coupled with the way the war was being prosecuted by our side pretty much killed any political support for the war in the US. A real war between the US and North Vietnam should last a year, tops. Moreover, there is no rational way anybody can ask draftees to fight in such a thing or draft the boy next door and tell him it's somehow or other his patriotic duty to go into harms way for something which clearly amounts to a geopolitical game with no semblence of a declaration of war or a real commitment.

That was the problem. Ronald Reagan finally figured out that you play geopolitical games with petty cash and a few handsfull of professional soldiers and soldiers of fortune, and not with vast sums of treasure and tens of thousands of draftees and, for that reason, unlike the presidencies of LBJ or Nixon, Reagan's presidency will go into the books as a success story.

13 posted on 12/27/2004 6:02:14 AM PST by judywillow
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To: G.Mason
Believers?

Christians....

14 posted on 12/27/2004 6:02:26 AM PST by Always Right
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To: miltonim

I am well aware that this goes on in Vietnam and Laos, but without more information, the pictures are a bit useless. These people could be there for any number of reasons.


15 posted on 12/27/2004 6:05:35 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: miltonim; ALOHA RONNIE; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; tet68; TigerLikesRooster; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Freedom ping!

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

16 posted on 12/27/2004 6:06:21 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: judywillow
That sort of thing coupled with the way the war was being prosecuted by our side pretty much killed any political support for the war in the US.

That was always part of the problem with our war against Communism. The enemies of Communism were usually corrupt. They were usually much better than the Communists, but most had serious issues. The Communists slaughtered well over a million people after the end of the war. Communist regimes throughout the world slaughter 100 million people in the 20th Century. So as bad as the people we supported were, they usually could not hold a candle to how evil Communists were.

17 posted on 12/27/2004 6:08:54 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right; angkor

See my post #7


18 posted on 12/27/2004 6:09:13 AM PST by G.Mason ("The foundation of morality is to have done, once and for all, with lying" Thomas Henry Huxley)
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To: judywillow

That sort of thing coupled with the way the war was being prosecuted by our side pretty much killed any political support for the war in the US. A real war between the US and North Vietnam should last a year, tops. Moreover, there is no rational way anybody can ask draftees to fight in such a thing or draft the boy next door and tell him it's somehow or other his patriotic duty to go into harms way for something which clearly amounts to a geopolitical game with no semblence of a declaration of war or a real commitment.
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Well put. Nam was a disaster and a tragic waste of our soldiers lives, in monumental proportions, because it was a war that was NOT FOUGHT TO BE WON, just scripted by politicians and not to be fought and won by military commanders. Washington politics out of control.


19 posted on 12/27/2004 6:13:38 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Always Right
Christians....

Wishful thinking. No one is sent to a re-education camp simply for being Christian.

20 posted on 12/27/2004 6:14:13 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: kahoutek

AMEN!


21 posted on 12/27/2004 6:17:33 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: miltonim
Who the heck took these pictures? How did they get them out? I have no doubt this is exactly what goes on in Socialist reeducation camps, but I'm doubtful about the specific photos themselves. How did they get these photos out? What time frame? Which camp? Location? It almost looks like a movie set to me.
22 posted on 12/27/2004 6:19:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Anyone else see irony in invading Iraq [w/no nukes] while N. Korea kept on making nukes [9 now] ?)
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To: judywillow
It is evident that the left has brain washed several people. The South Vietnamese left the country by the millions when the North took over and many ofthose remaining were placed in reeducation camps. The North took over when they violated the peace treaty signed in Paris and after the US Congress cut off funds. Further, there were no Viet Cong left (or very few) after TET 1968 and those that were left were discarded by the North Vietnamese. If the military had been allowed to fight a war with the North it would have been over in months. The military was not allowed to fight to win and as such we lost over 58,000 and still counting. The cause was to gain freedom for the people of South Vietnam. Any lies that you read about giving land to the South Vietnameseby by the Communist North is mostly that, lies. Do not believe the press in the United States as they must maintain the lies to make sure that their position on the war was justified. The war was against Communism there are NO good Communist the Communist of the world were and still are trying to destroy the United States.
23 posted on 12/27/2004 6:25:35 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: judywillow
the VC split up and old plantatations and pretty much gave them the land that they'd been working forever

Just for a history correction, immediately after 1975 the Hanoi regime seized my mother-in-law's 600 hectares of property near Sa Dec and all of father-in-law's family properties near Ha Tien.

Then to make sure they'd missed nothing, the NVA then went repeatedly through Southern cities, towns and villages with metal detectors searching for even the smallest holdings of family gold. They'd tear up your walls and yard looking for even a single tael.

A real war between the US and North Vietnam should last a year, tops.

For comparison, when the NVA (all draftees) finally went after the Khmer Rouge, they took Phnom Penh in one week, start to finish.

24 posted on 12/27/2004 6:34:11 AM PST by angkor
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To: Ramonan

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NEVER FORGET


JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


...and of Freedom-Loving people everywhere.


NEVER FORGET

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25 posted on 12/27/2004 6:35:58 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: YOUGOTIT
The South Vietnamese left the country by the millions when the North took over and many ofthose remaining were placed in reeducation camps.

In addition, millions of *North* Vietnamese left North Vietnam after 1954, when the handwriting was on the wall that the Viet Minh were going to launch an aggressive Communist progrom of land seizures and persecutions.

Even people like Nguyen Kao Ky were originally from the Hanoi area. Catholics left North Vietnam in droves.

Its estimated that 600,000 South Vietnamese folks went for reeducation after 1975. Sentences were in multiples of 3 years, e.g., if your weren't properly compliant after 3 years, you got another 3.

Officers and government officials received longer sentences, 15 years being a norm.

Through wifey, I know lots of guys who got 3 years, and lots who got 15 years. At least two members of her family returned permanently crippled.

26 posted on 12/27/2004 6:44:18 AM PST by angkor
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To: angkor

Yes I met some of those in South Vietnam they were Catholic.


27 posted on 12/27/2004 7:26:31 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: killjoy
"No one is sent to a re-education camp simply for being Christian"

ANOTHER public schooled trained member of the politburo?

Just like no Jews were killed in the concentration camps?
28 posted on 12/27/2004 7:36:41 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: steplock
ANOTHER public schooled trained member of the politburo?

Yawn...

Just like no Jews were killed in the concentration camps?

Strawman arguement... Please give me documented proof that people are sent to camps in Vietnam for simply being Christian. Sorry, it does not happen. There is plenty of proof of Nazi prosecution of Jews.

29 posted on 12/27/2004 7:40:59 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: killjoy

"Wishful thinking. No one is sent to a re-education camp simply for being Christian."

Unfortunately you are absolutely wrong. People are sent to "re-education" camps all over the world simply because they are Christian. Vietnam is only one country that persecutes believers in Jesus.

I can't vouch for the authenticity of these photos, but I do know personally several Christians who have been sent to these type of camps in Vietnam, Sudan, and Russia.


30 posted on 12/27/2004 7:46:36 AM PST by FreedomWatcher
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To: miltonim

Bump.


31 posted on 12/27/2004 8:11:12 AM PST by Rocko
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To: FreedomWatcher
Unfortunately you are absolutely wrong. People are sent to "re-education" camps all over the world simply because they are Christian. Vietnam is only one country that persecutes believers in Jesus.

So please give me documented proof, from a non-Christian group, of this currently happening in Vietnam. I am not talking about people being prosecuted who happen to be Christian, but where their only crime is being Christian.

32 posted on 12/27/2004 8:13:28 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: angkor

Thought crimes. 'swhat the Clintons had in mind.


33 posted on 12/27/2004 8:20:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: killjoy
No one is sent to a re-education camp simply for being Christian

Im sure you meant to say, that you hope it is not true that people are sent to a re-education camp for simply being a Christian.

34 posted on 12/27/2004 8:20:44 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: killjoy
Good morning.

"Wishful thinking. No one is sent to a re-education camp simply for being Christian."

Are YOU engaging in wishful thinking or are you being willfully ignorant. Communists send people to the camps for being educated. The Khmer Rouge suffocated people with plastic bags simply because the victims wore glasses. Communists kill and imprison just because they feel like it and atheist communists loathe Christianity.

Michael Frazier
35 posted on 12/27/2004 8:36:16 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
Are YOU engaging in wishful thinking or are you being willfully ignorant. Communists send people to the camps for being educated. The Khmer Rouge suffocated people with plastic bags simply because the victims wore glasses. Communists kill and imprison just because they feel like it and atheist communists loathe Christianity.

Strawman argument. The Khmer Rouge were not Vietnamese. Among others, the Khmer Rouge specifically targetted Cambodians who were ethnically Vietnamese. FYI, the Vietnamese are the ones who put an end to the Khmer Rouge genocide in Cambodia.

Again, please provide documented evidence, from a non-Christian source, of people currently being sent to re-education camps in Vietnam simply for being Christian.

36 posted on 12/27/2004 8:52:36 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: miltonim

This must be an example of what Uncle Ho refered to as a "Workers Paradise". Cambodia is still recovering from Pol Pots version of marxist nirvana.I'm sure John Kerry,Jane Fonda,etc are proud of their handiwork!


37 posted on 12/27/2004 9:01:49 AM PST by thombo
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To: killjoy
I doubt if anyone can provide you with that information. The current Vietnamese government has a poor human rights record, but the idea that anyone is being sent to a reeducation camp simply for being a Christian is nonsense. Viet Nam has a huge Roman Catholic population (6 to 8 million people, the second largest number in any country in Asia after the Philippines); there are large seminaries in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, and in addition to the Catholic Church, the Vietnamese government officially recognizes the Christian Missionary Alliance and the Southern Evangelical Church of Viet Nam.

Viet Nam needs to make major improvements in religious freedom, but anyone interested in a balanced and accurate description of the current relationship between the Vietnamese government and religious organizations might want to read the International Religious Freedom Report 2003 from the U.S. Department of State at this address:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2003/24327.htm

Everyone else can continue the simpleminded commie bashing and stay ignorant.
38 posted on 12/27/2004 11:16:20 PM PST by Viet_Thuy
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To: judywillow

What planet are you from?

When the North Vietnamese soldiers conquered South Vietnam and found out how wealthy and advanced the population really was, they said "You should have come liberate us in the North".


39 posted on 12/29/2004 5:24:13 AM PST by LLBeet
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To: Always Right

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And now the World has turned:


VAN TRAN - 1st Vietnamese-American Legislator takes Oath of Office

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1297470/posts

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40 posted on 01/01/2005 1:51:21 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: judywillow
I've never been able to decide whether or not there was any ratinoal cause in Nam. I've seen interviews with South Vietnamese who claimed they were sharecroppers under the old regime with no possibility of owning land, that the VC split up and old plantatations and pretty much gave them the land that they'd been working forever, and that then the south (temporarily) retook the area and immediately gave all the land back to the absentee landlords.

It's called private property, and in our country it's protected by the Constitution at least it was. But the VC never really held much land, by the time the communists did hold significant areas of land, the VC were no more (basically they were no more after Tet '68). The VC did "tax" the peasants, (In the way the Danes or the Barbary pirates taxed folks) and if you didn't pay your taxes, they came in and killed you.

The "agrarian reformer" tall tale has been told by many a communist movement. Fidel's for instance. In the end, the state owns everything, and the peasants are then really sharecroppers, with no civil rights at all. Eventually the government makes such hash of things, everyone starves, either through mismanagement and corruption (See Cuba, Russia, N. Korea) or as deliberate policy (Ukraine, Georgia etc)

41 posted on 04/04/2005 9:03:32 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
It is evident that the left has brain washed several people. The South Vietnamese left the country by the millions when the North took over and many ofthose remaining were placed in reeducation camps

Yes and not only supporters of the Southern goverment, but ex VC as well, after they figured out that their fraternal socialist brothers from the North did not have the interestes of the Southerners at heart, and after they say what the Northern bastards had in mind.

42 posted on 04/04/2005 9:15:30 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: miltonim; risk; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; bear11; Lexington Green; Tailgunner Joe; kahoutek; ...

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...Thirty years after the Fall of Saigon,

...and their true life 'PASSION of the Chirst' suffering began for those once Free South Vietnamese after we abandoned them on April 30, 1975...

...America finally gets to relive for themselves exactly what sacrifices they had to then suffer through.

...A stunning yet to be released Vietnamese-American Motion Picture titled:

.."JOURNEY from the FALL"

...was just previewed right where I grew up during the 1950's in the City of Garden Grove CA and then left from during the 1960's for the 1st Major Battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War.

Enter.. JOURNEY from the FALL ..in:

http://www.us.imdb.com


(NOTE: The pictures of a vietnamese communist re-education camp posted on this thread are scenes from this Motion Picture, for t'was I who was blessed to view today's most timely Motion Picture Preview right where I used to ride my Schwinn Bycycle around as a little boy)


GOD is Good.

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43 posted on 04/30/2005 9:21:09 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Viet_Thuy
That is about the most stupid uneducated [piece I have read. I (me) personally talked to many of the Roman Catholic Vietnamese who fled south after the Communist took over the North. I did not find one who would want to live under the control of the non humans (Communist). There were somewhere between 3 to 5 million that fled Vietnam when the non humans took over and there has NEVER been a Communist regime that has allowed any other religion except for the worship of Stalin, the state or others of the devil breed.
44 posted on 05/01/2005 5:15:27 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 05/01/2005 2:44:04 PM PDT by reformjoy
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To: YOUGOTIT
there has NEVER been a Communist regime that has allowed any other religion except for the worship of Stalin, the state or others of the devil breed.

LOL! You don't get out of the house much, do you?

46 posted on 05/01/2005 6:19:58 PM PDT by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: killjoy

Name ONE!


47 posted on 05/02/2005 5:34:18 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: YOUGOTIT
Name ONE!

Laos.

48 posted on 05/02/2005 7:21:18 AM PDT by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: killjoy

Since 1975 the communist government has not opposed Buddhism but rather has attempted to manipulate it to support political goals, and with some success. Just like the other Commie gov in the world they manipulate the religion to meet their state beliefs.


49 posted on 05/02/2005 8:16:03 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: YOUGOTIT
Since 1975 the communist government has not opposed Buddhism but rather has attempted to manipulate it to support political goals, and with some success. Just like the other Commie gov in the world they manipulate the religion to meet their state beliefs.

LOL. Ever been to Laos? Ever talk to any Monks there? Ever attend any religious ceremonies there? I have. The government has used religion to further some of their own goals, but has in no way prohibited religion from being freely practiced.

Of course everything is not perfect, far from it. For example, there are two sets of donation boxes at Temples. The 'main' donation box, which most foreigners will donate into, is collected and kept by the government. The smaller box, usually off to the side, is kept by the Monks and used by them. It is a hindrance, but they in no way prevent the monks, or common people, from going about their worshiping. It is a far cry from your statement about communist nations never allowing any religious worship.

50 posted on 05/02/2005 8:33:45 AM PDT by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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