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NYT: Camden's Streets Go From Mean to America's Most Dangerous City, Liberalism's Showcase
New York Times ^ | December 29, 2004 | JEFFREY GETTLEMAN

Posted on 12/29/2004 5:48:19 AM PST by OESY

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To: OESY
People say they know who the gunman is. But no witnesses will talk. No arrests have been made. In Camden, it's a familiar story.

Oh, yeah! No guts to confront criminals but let a policeman shoot a drug dealer and there is Hell to pay.

81 posted on 12/29/2004 11:56:34 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kwanzaa is to the holiday season what Michael Jackson is to child care.)
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To: OESY
Wow...looks like a Hip-Hop Utopia. The teens and early 20s I work with would look at the pics and think it looked like a pretty cool place...just like the Tacoma, Seattle and Portland sewers they come from.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

82 posted on 12/29/2004 12:07:03 PM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: independentmind

Corrected text: Classic model of government by Democrats organized crime, aka MOB......Reading, PA was once run by the mob. Since they have gotten out, the place is about one step above Camden.


83 posted on 12/29/2004 12:17:27 PM PST by Safetgiver (Mud slung is ground lost.)
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To: Jack Black

I love Detroit... well, the history of Detroit.

I go to Ann Arbor many times a year to visit friends, and once I asked my friend "take me to Detroit!" He asked, what the hell would I want to go there for? But he took me anyway. One of my hobbies is taking pictures of graffitti, and Detroit proved to be fertile ground. But my poor friend almost had a heart attack as I kept making him stop the car while I got out to take pictures in what were obviously some of the worst neighborhoods I'd ever been in (and I'm from Rochester NY!).

I had heard how bad it is there, my dad even told me not to go there, but I had to check out the home of the mighty MC5, The Stooges, home of the 2nd Industrial Revolution, the home of the Motown Records sounds, the factories of the great war machines of WWII...

It was horrible. Every 3rd building was burned, locked up, bombed out, destroyed, delapidated, or otherwise ruined. I'd never seen anything like it. Two rock&roll guys in an Oldsmobile, and we were the only white people I saw for miles.

That was an awesome website, thank you so much for linking it.


84 posted on 12/29/2004 1:18:17 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: coloradan

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Nobody says legalizing drugs would create a utopia. It would, however, stop the war and the killing ... if that would be something you'd possibly want to do.
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Really? And when the junkie doesn't have the money for his fix because he can't hold down a job? Dealers aren't the only ones who mug, steal and kill for drugs.

Tell you what. Ride with your city's drug enforcement cops for a day. Then, after you've seen the malnourished children (mom sold the food stamps for crack), and the abused children (Mom pimped her daughter for drug money) you come back and tell me how making this evil, destructive substance legal makes these problems go away.


85 posted on 12/29/2004 2:15:00 PM PST by frgoff
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To: OESY
Per capita - That murder race is about twice the rate of DETROIT.
86 posted on 12/29/2004 2:17:32 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: Dan from Michigan

race=rate.


87 posted on 12/29/2004 2:18:09 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: OESY

Legalize the drugs...that'll make it all better.

< /sarcasm >


88 posted on 12/29/2004 2:26:15 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud in the State of Washington !)
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To: JimRed

I should have read down farther first...


89 posted on 12/29/2004 2:27:22 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud in the State of Washington !)
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To: OESY

All in the search for culture we career madly whilst gathering in our desperate wake the foreign flotsam of troubled waters.


90 posted on 12/29/2004 2:37:37 PM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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To: TFine80

"Two treats in one...?"


91 posted on 12/29/2004 2:38:09 PM PST by Old Professer (When the fear of dying no longer obtains no act is unimaginable.)
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To: Modernman
Hmmm... Big construction involves big unions. Now, who gets a piece of the money from the big unions?

Uhhhhh....DEMOCRATS?

92 posted on 12/29/2004 2:38:59 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud in the State of Washington !)
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To: frgoff

I didn't say it would make those problems go away, Mr. Straw Man Argument, I said it would stop the killing. Maybe not 100% of the killing, but probably 95% of the killing. Please re-read my post. Most of the killings have to do with dealing, not with addicts trying to get money. As it is now with the prohibition, you have the moms selling their food stamps for crack, parents pimping their daughters for drug money, AND murderous gang violence killing many people each year. Do you want to stop none of these things by keeping things the way they are, or do you want to make a dent at all? (And, I'll just mention some fo the collateral damage to innocents on the War On (some) Drugs: wrong-address no-knock raids, innocent people shot in their own beds, testilying, asset forfeiture of people's legitimately earned life savings, the militarization of our police forces, escalation of the War On Guns, violent criminals released from prison to make room for mandatory minimum non-violent drug offenders, intrusive banking laws... it goes on and on.) Insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result.


93 posted on 12/29/2004 2:51:59 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Poser

Could be, though as you know The Wire is set in Baltimore. I think it's a great series, and am surprised it hasn't received more attention.


94 posted on 12/29/2004 3:49:37 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: OESY

My sister was born in Camden, a lot has changed since 1960...yikes!


95 posted on 12/29/2004 3:53:12 PM PST by dakine
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To: JimRed

Camden is what happens when the jobs vanish. It's pretty much the future.


96 posted on 12/29/2004 3:54:16 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: OESY; Calpernia; Sub-Driver; Clemenza
Don't worry,
 
there is midnight basketball which will cure all the ills of the inner city. 
 
the abbott v. burke supreme court decision regarding parity in school funding in inner cities has solved all the education problems with our inner-city youth.
 
Don't worry, Regis Philbin's co-host's father, Joe Ripa, a union boss, is a Democrat Freeholder in Camden County.
 
the NJ State Police started to patrol Camden years ago to reduce the crime rates and even  Governor Whitless joined in the fun with law enforcement, the citizens of Camden can sleep better at night knowing Christie is on patrol doing photo ops patting down black youths.
 
suspect
A 1996 photograph of New Jersey Governor Christie Whitman frisking a black man during a drug sweep in Camden shows the great strides white women have made in cracking the so-called 'Old Boys Network.'

97 posted on 12/29/2004 6:24:30 PM PST by Coleus (Let us pray for the 100,000 + victims of the tsunami and their families.)
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To: OESY

Where is Bob Dylan when you need him ...


98 posted on 12/29/2004 6:26:42 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: independentmind

What is the difference between the Democrats and the Mob ?


99 posted on 12/29/2004 6:27:43 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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Another Thieving Dirtbag Done In by the Second Amendment!
  Posted by Coleus to Lonesome in Massachussets; scottybk
On News/Activism 11/28/2004 3:05:05 PM EST · 59 of 63

The trial took place in Camden, the county seat of Camden County.  The crime happened elsewhere in the county probably in Collingswood or Merchantville

Camden is a Toilet, their mayor was sent to prison and the state police had to patrol the city, the RINO's in the state tried to use gentrification as an excuse to build an aquarium in Camden only to find that nobody was going down there because it's in a toilet and to further add insult to injury, this aquarium which is already in the RED is actually closed until May 2005 for expansion!!  As if that is NOT enough, where  the RINOs did NOT  learn a lesson, these same idiot loser Republican RINO Legislators had the Battleship NJ docked in Camden too instead of putting it in Bayonne where most of the NYC Metro population has easy accessibility to it.  That too is losing money and is in the RED.

In NJ you can own a gun and not use it if someone is robbing your home.  As we saw, if the robber is unarmed, a NJ resident will be charged if he shoots the robber. Only in NJ.

Franklin man charged in death

Wednesday, April 28, 2004

Resident accused of shooting burglary suspect

By TIM ZATZARINY JR. and GENE VERNACCHIO
Courier-Post Staff
FRANKLIN

Burglars broke into Robert J. Clark Jr.'s home a year ago. So when he saw two men stealing his all-terrain vehicle from his shed Monday night, he grabbed his gun.

When it was all over, Clark, 33, had shot and killed William Hamilton, 39, of Clementon as he and another man broke into the backyard shed at Clark's Grant Avenue home, authorities said.

Prosecutors believe Clark took justice into his own hands and have charged him with murder. He faces the possibility of life in prison, if convicted.

But a neighbor who tried to calm Clark moments after the shooting, said Clark thought he saw the suspects point a gun at him.

Mike Moore, 43, said when Clark saw the two men from a kitchen window, he tried to call 9-1-1 three times but his cordless phone had died the night before. He also tried to trip his home alarm, but it didn't work either.

"He then got his gun, opened up his side door," Moore said. "Slowly, without turning the light on, he shouted `freeze.' The one guy turned and pointed at him. Bobby thought he had a gun and he shot him twice."

From his own front step, Moore said he saw the second suspect, Dwain Jones, who is a neighbor, running across Clark's front yard as Clark fired three shots toward him.

"By that time I'm in the street and Bobby tells me he shot and thinks he might have killed a guy in his back yard," Moore said.

Authorities said the shooting took place shortly after 10 p.m. They provided a similar account to Moore's about the events that night and offered additional details.

Authorities said Clark fired at Hamilton with a 9mm Taurus, a handgun he legally owns, hitting him in the right shoulder. The bullet exited through the left side of Hamilton's chest, killing him.

Authorities said Clark chased Jones, 42, as he fired three shots into the air. Jones, who lives a quarter-mile from Clark, fled to his house, where he was arrested Tuesday morning as the Gloucester County SWAT team surrounded his home.

Clark is charged with murder and second-degree charges of aggravated assault and possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose. He was released after posting $50,000 full cash bail. An initial court date had not been set by late Tuesday.

New Jersey law does not allow the use of deadly force to protect personal property. Deadly force can be used only in self-defense, defense of another person or protection of one's home.

"We cannot allow individuals to take the law into their own hands," Gloucester County Prosecutor Sean F. Dalton said during a news conference Tuesday. "Mr. Clark had several options available to him instead of shooting Mr. Hamilton."

Dalton said authorities don't believe either suspect had a gun.

Clark's attorney, Michael Pinsky, did not return a phone call for comment.

Dalton said he was unsure of the exact relationship between Hamilton and Jones, but that the two planned in advance to steal Clark's ATV. Hamilton's pickup truck was parked nearby as the two men burglarized the shed, Dalton said. The truck was found in front of Jones' house when he was arrested.

Jones, of 2482 Grant Ave., is charged with third-degree counts of burglary and theft. He was being held in the Gloucester County Jail on $5,000 full cash bail. Jones faces a maximum 10-year prison sentence if convicted.

Hamilton had recently been indicted by a Gloucester County grand jury on a burglary charge out of Woodbury Heights, Dalton said.

He and another man are accused of breaking into the Heritage's Dairy Store on Glassboro Road in December.

An autopsy showed he died from the gunshot wound, according to the Gloucester County Medical Examiner's Office.

Clark, who was home alone Monday night, had been the victim of a burglary about a year ago, but the case has not been solved, said Franklin Police Chief Michael DiGiorgio.

Police arrived moments after Monday's shooting, he said.

Dalton said Clark should have waited for authorities before grabbing his gun.

"The wrong thing to do is to intervene because when you intervene, someone is going to get hurt," Dalton said. "In this case, someone died."


100 posted on 12/29/2004 6:28:06 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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