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Vioxx. Celebrex. Now Aleve. What's a Patient to Think?
NY Times ^ | December 28, 2004 | ANAHAD O'CONNOR

Posted on 12/29/2004 12:38:09 PM PST by neverdem

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Oops-- Unfortunately many Americans do not realize (with their instant-gratification minds) that there is virtue in suffering.
21 posted on 12/29/2004 12:56:44 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Little Ray

Aleve works well, but be on alert for bleeding ulcers. I can't take it for that reason.


22 posted on 12/29/2004 12:57:37 PM PST by knittnmom
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To: neverdem
From what I've seen, the recent study that prompted the furor regarding COX-2 inhibitors showed the following:

Placebo Group: .75 cardiovascular adverse events per 100 patient years
NSAID Group: 1.49 cardiovascular adverse events per 100 patient years

No matter how you cut it, those incidence rates are both extremely low. I think it's offensive that media-induced hysteria will result in many patients living in terrible pain for years because they cannot or will not take this medication.

23 posted on 12/29/2004 12:57:55 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Salvation

Don't confuse self-flagellation, in which there is no virtue, with remaining faithful in the midst of suffering. If relief is readily available, it is hardly virtuous to forego it just so you can suffer.


24 posted on 12/29/2004 1:02:56 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: Salvation
Unfortunately many Americans do not realize (with their instant-gratification minds) that their is virtue in suffering.

Do you live with rheumatoid arthritis? I know people who do, and without the medication they'd live in crippling pain that would have them wheelchair-bound in a matter of a few years. These meds allow them to live relatively productive lives (not pain-free, but productive).

Where I come from, choosing crippling pain and joint problems when a remedy is readily-available isn't virtuous, but rather incredibly stupid.

25 posted on 12/29/2004 1:02:58 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: IonImplantGuru
See my #12. I know my Mom wishes he'd take some sort of medicine.

He's damned hard to get along with when he is hurting.

26 posted on 12/29/2004 1:03:18 PM PST by Constitution Day (Free presidio9!)
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To: neverdem

Don't buy the meds the drugs companies push on us. Look for alternatives. You get old and the body does not work the way it once did, thats just the way things are. That being said, if I were older and had chronic pain I don't think I'd stop the Vioxx or whatever, just moderate it.


27 posted on 12/29/2004 1:04:40 PM PST by Pondman88
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

Anyone taking aspirin to protect against coronary artery (heart) disease as well as any non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug(NSAID), including Celebrex or Bextra, for any reason, should take the aspirin, preferably with food, at least one hour before that other drug.


28 posted on 12/29/2004 1:07:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: NittanyLion

I have arthritic spurs in my hip. I know what pain is.


29 posted on 12/29/2004 1:08:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: mcg1969

I use a magnetic wrap on my hip at night and am able to deal with my pain with only aspirin and/or ibueprofen. I also lost 60 pounds.

There are alternatives.


30 posted on 12/29/2004 1:11:07 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NittanyLion

"No matter how you cut it, those incidence rates are both extremely low. I think it's offensive that media-induced hysteria will result in many patients living in terrible pain for years because they cannot or will not take this medication."


YEP!


31 posted on 12/29/2004 1:13:12 PM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: neverdem
Vioxx. Celebrex. Now Aleve. What's a Patient to Think?

Why bother thinking.

New Thinkabrexx is coming on the market!

 

 

 

 

in it's generic form, it's call cogitatix.

32 posted on 12/29/2004 1:13:29 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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Before my back surgery, I took Celebrex. Fortunately the surgery was very successful. But I can tell you, that if I needed to take Agent Orange or Gasoline to stunt the pain, I would have. Life is too sure to spend it in pain.

My father-in-law who is in tremendous pain, daily for years d/t spinal stenosis refuses to take Celebrex because he is afraid of the side effects. Well, when you are 80 years old, you have to figure every day that you have left can be comfortable or it can be hell. You pick.

I guess the point is, that patients should be provided with all of the available info and then be allowed to make their own choices.
33 posted on 12/29/2004 1:14:45 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: 1Old Pro

Unfortunately, some pain cannot be stunted by 2 advil and a glass of wine.


34 posted on 12/29/2004 1:15:59 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: MeanWestTexan; neverdem
IN ALL PROBABILITY, this is JUNK SCIENCE

BINGO! The same with calcium channel blockers (BP meds such as Cardizem, Norvasc, Verapamil, etc.). There was a recent study which showed a higher risk of heart death in women taking these meds.  Calcium channel blockers were targeted several years ago regarding some side effect (can't remember exactly), but this was put to rest, up until now.

35 posted on 12/29/2004 1:16:47 PM PST by Born Conservative (Entertainment is a thing of the past, today we've got television - Archie Bunker)
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To: Salvation
I have arthritic spurs in my hip. I know what pain is.

Out of curiousity, has your arthritis disabled you? If so, why do you choose not to take medication that could help you lead a more productive life?

As someone close to a person with RA, I find nothing virtuous in seeing that person in horrible pain, in a wheelchair, because they refused to take medication.

36 posted on 12/29/2004 1:18:38 PM PST by NittanyLion
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What the heck......WHY IS THE ALEVE NEWS BEING SUPPRESSED????

I have heard ***nothing*** about this on the news until this.

Not that I can take it....I am allergic to Aleve and its sister (unfortunately) aspirin. But, this is getting ridiculous.


37 posted on 12/29/2004 1:20:21 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: NittanyLion

I've always wondered about people who would rather suffer and complain, then do something about it, balancing risk vs. benefit.

They must be getting something out of the pain, a psych. or emotional rebate) that a rational person wouldn't be interested in.

Do I want to live to be 90 but in pain? I think not.


38 posted on 12/29/2004 1:21:07 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Perfect.


39 posted on 12/29/2004 1:23:31 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The people who work at the FDA need to be shot.

They take 20 years to approve drugs and then miss this crap, which would seem to me to be a pretty serious side effect.


40 posted on 12/29/2004 1:24:28 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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