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Kosovo's New PM: Young and wanted
The Economist ^

Posted on 12/30/2004 3:29:06 PM PST by Alex Marko

A prime minister who is accused of involvement in war crimes.

RAMUSH HARADINAJ is, at just 36, Europe's youngest prime minister. He may also be its most controversial. That is hard to credit, as he sits calmly in his spacious office in Kosovo's capital, Pristina. His neatly pressed blue shirt, red silk tie and buffed brogues are in stark contrast to the mud-spattered camouflage he wore six years ago, when he was a senior commander in the Kosovo Liberation Army, which fought a vicious war against the troops of Yugoslavia's (and Serbia's) former president, Slobodan Milosevic.

It is Mr Haradinaj's time in the KLA in 1998-99 that causes disquiet. Vociferous Serbs, including Serbia's prime minister, Vojislav Kostunica, claim that Mr Haradinaj was implicated in war crimes in Kosovo. The Serbs have issued warrants for his arrest, and have called on Kosovo's UN bosses to annul his appointment. Investigators from the war-crimes tribunal in The Hague have questioned Mr Haradinaj in Pristina. But the prime minister dismisses all charges as Serb fabrications.

In fact, the charismatic Mr Haradinaj, who hails from the Decane region of western Kosovo, could prove to be just the right man for the job. The KLA was disbanded after NATO and the UN intervened in the province in June 1999, chasing out Mr Milosevic's tanks and gunmen. Kosovo then became a UN protectorate, but it is still technically part of Serbia and Montenegro, the loose union that replaced Yugoslavia in 2003.

Mr Haradinaj duly swapped his camouflage for a business suit, forming his own political party, the Alliance for the Future of Kosovo (AAK), in April 2000. In October's elections the AAK took nine seats, enabling it to form a coalition with the Liberal Democrat Party, or LDK, the party of Kosovo's president, Ibrahim Rugova. Mr Haradinaj became prime minister in early December. Kosovo's UN bosses termed his appointment “democracy at work”. The secretary-general of NATO, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said only that it was “a complicated situation”.

Mr Haradinaj is clever and tough enough to have survived both war against the Serbs and the infighting endemic to Kosovo's violent politics. That may help him to rein in his more hotheaded supporters, and so stave off any danger of a repeat of last March's anti-Serb violence, in which 19 people died and nearly a thousand were injured. He is also astute enough to pay heed to western interests.

The downside is that Mr Haradinaj's appointment has incensed the government in Belgrade, diminishing any chances of dialogue. And he risks being indicted by The Hague tribunal; the chief prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, has former KLA leaders in her sights as she prepares to issue final indictments (the agreed deadline for which falls this weekend). Were Mr Haradinaj sent to The Hague, there might be violence by disgruntled ethnic Albanians, especially in his home region.

Talks on the final status of Kosovo are due to begin in 2005, if the province's 1.8m ethnic Albanians and 100,000 Serbs can show progress towards internationally required standards of governance. The UN's secretary-general, Kofi Annan, has said that the economy (unemployment stands at 55%) and security are the two main problems. Kosovo's ethnic Albanians want independence; Serbia is against. The province's UN proconsul, a no-nonsense Dane named Soren Jessen-Petersen, insists that this matter is for the UN and western governments to decide. One official says that Kosovo knows exactly what it has to do before final-status talks can begin; he insists that the talks will not happen if it fails. So it remains essential that Kosovo's people measure up—and that the hotheads keep their cool even if their war-hero-turned-prime-minister is arrested.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ana; balkanalqaeda; balkans; haradinaj; kla; kosovo; terrorism; wot; zawahiri
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1 posted on 12/30/2004 3:29:06 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

A war criminal, an Islamic terrorist, a former guerrilla leader? The Euro leaders should love him, after all they loved Yassir Arafat.


2 posted on 12/30/2004 3:37:17 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher

Everyone is underestimating this conflict. Kosovo expects independence in 2005, but with Russia and China both holding veto power in any UN resolution, that is not going to happen. This means the US will have to take a side. Which side it will be? I would say against Kosovo in light of foreign policy on Taiwan and Kurds in Iraq. This will be bloody soon. I hope europe can cope.


3 posted on 12/30/2004 3:40:06 PM PST by Alex Marko
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"His neatly pressed blue shirt, red silk tie and buffed brogues are in stark contrast to the mud-spattered camouflage he wore six years ago, when he was a senior commander in the Kosovo Liberation Army..."

In other words he is a war criminal?
4 posted on 12/30/2004 3:42:30 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: Alex Marko

he will be arrested at the right moment to quell any final status.


5 posted on 12/30/2004 3:44:37 PM PST by ma bell ("Goddamn it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!" - Captain Henry P. ")
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To: ma bell

He is an accused war criminal. This weekend is the deadline for final indictments. No US politician should back a violent islamic seperatist group unless he wants an early retirement from politics in the US.


6 posted on 12/30/2004 3:46:10 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
"No US politician should back a violent islamic seperatist group unless he wants an early retirement from politics in the US"

Exception: Democrats can get away with it.
7 posted on 12/30/2004 3:54:23 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

I dont think even democrats can get away with supporting a group that has alleged al qaeda and egyptian islamic jihad links.


8 posted on 12/30/2004 3:55:44 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko; All

There have been times when the U.S. did indeed back @ssholes-Mobutu Sese Seko (former Zaire/Congo) Ferdinand Marcos (Phillippines) and Gulbaddin Hekmatyar (Afghan Mujahideen during the '80s). Hindsight is always easier than foresight, innit?


9 posted on 12/30/2004 3:57:20 PM PST by Jacob Kell (WE WON! WE WON!)
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To: Alex Marko

What war crimes?

If it's a Reagan or Bush supported leader, you'd know every parking ticket that the guy's gotten. But with a Muslim, Clinton-supported, leader, we're left to our own imagination.

But I'll say this, the crimes must be atrocious since this guy is a Muslim. The Europeans wouldn't even get off their butts for Saddam - but the Europeans are targeting this guy - he must really bad.


10 posted on 12/30/2004 3:58:02 PM PST by BobL
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To: Alex Marko
"I dont think even democrats can get away with supporting a group that has alleged al qaeda and egyptian islamic jihad links."

I'd love that to be true, but these clowns in Kosovo were terrorists from the start - and Clinton sided with them. The Dems knew exactly what type of leadership was going to emerge. The terror links were even being reported before we got involved.
11 posted on 12/30/2004 4:01:28 PM PST by BobL
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To: Jacob Kell
"There have been times when the U.S. did indeed back @ssholes"

True - but it was the middle of the Cold War. If we didn't back these guys, the Soviets would have. It was a zero-sum game. But why on Earth did we back these terrorists in Kosovo and basically install this guy?

It certainly didn't help this country one bit, and, in some antagonized the heck out of countries that we didn't need to antagonize (i.e., China and Russia). This was clearly the dumbest foreign policy move since Carter overthrew the Shaw.
12 posted on 12/30/2004 4:04:57 PM PST by BobL
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To: Jacob Kell

This is post 9/11. Anyone with islamic radical links will not get US support. Afghanistan was a situation where the US and Russia were embroiled in the cold war. It was a partnership of convenience. Russia posed a bigger threat and had to be dealt with. Congo has been in turmoil since the Belgians left it in shambles, yet they still do nothing to take care it. Our nations politicians and intelligence services must put AMERICA first, sometimes that calls for some politics that is not very popular.


13 posted on 12/30/2004 4:07:32 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

Yassir the rat-boy is not even cold in the ground yet (though I'm pretty sure he's feeling uncomfortably warm about now) and we have another Muslim terrorist "statesman" to take his place. Watch the U.S. press suck at the t** of this racist fiend in the coming months, provided his bloodthirsty, greedy KLA "brothers" don't kick him off first. It's going to be even more disgusting than the media's fawning support of the inane "war" Clinton and Albright fought for the Islamofascists back in 1999, the war which paved the way for this moron to call himself a PM in the first place.

As they say, there's nothing new under the sun. And they're damn right.


14 posted on 12/30/2004 4:07:59 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 (Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
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To: Alex Marko

"Everyone is underestimating this conflict. Kosovo expects independence in 2005, but with Russia and China both holding veto power in any UN resolution, that is not going to happen. This means the US will have to take a side. Which side it will be? I would say against Kosovo in light of foreign policy on Taiwan and Kurds in Iraq. This will be bloody soon. I hope europe can cope."


Do you mean that Russia will go to war over Kosovo? That doesn't really seem likely. And anyway, even if the Russians wanted to go to war, their military is in shambles; they wouldnt be able to fight.

And Serbia, unless I'm mistaken, doesnt really have much of an armed forces since we took charge, just some sort of police force. And Serbia doesnt have any major power broker backing it's claims to Kosovo.

I think that any hostilities in the region would be initiated by Albania, although they would be quickly crushed.

I doubt that Kosovo will get independence, because NATO doesnt want another war. And if Kosovo becomes a nation, the Serb Kosovars will be vulnerable to harm.


15 posted on 12/30/2004 4:25:00 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher

No, I mean Russia holds a VETO in the UN security council. In order for Kosovo to become an independent state, it must ratify a new UN mandate in accordance to UN security council res. 1244 that explicitly gives Serbia territorial powers over Kosovo.


16 posted on 12/30/2004 4:40:23 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
Kosovo expects independence in 2005, but with Russia and China both holding veto power in any UN resolution, that is not going to happen. This means the US will have to take a side. Which side it will be? I would say against Kosovo in light of foreign policy on Taiwan and Kurds in Iraq.

Good article & nice analysis by you. I think there's more time than 2005 as talks will not begin quickly and will likely drag on.

I also think that solutions short of independence can work--some sort of enhanced autonomy & an extended international military presence with no major Serb government or military presence in the province.

Oddly, the very guys the Serbs hate most--Haradinaj & Thaci--are the ones most likely & able to sell a status short of independence. Unlike President Rugova who--while widely respected--is known for his pacifist stands, Thaci & Haradinaj are war leaders who are much more likely to be heeded if they accept a status short of independence and renounce further violence. And both are savvy enough to look at things like Security Council realities and act accordingly.

17 posted on 12/30/2004 4:53:00 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Alex Marko

"No, I mean Russia holds a VETO in the UN security council. In order for Kosovo to become an independent state, it must ratify a new UN mandate in accordance to UN security council res. 1244 that explicitly gives Serbia territorial powers over Kosovo"

Yes, but you said that we are underestimating the conflict and it will get bloody. Who will be doing the fighting? By the way you said "I hope Europe can cope" it sounded as if you are expecting a full-scale war.

I dont think Kosovo should be permitted to become a state. The last thing we need is an Islamic terror supporting state ruled by rogues and terrorists in Europe.


18 posted on 12/30/2004 4:53:58 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher
Islamic terror supporting state ruled by rogues and terrorists in Europe.

What is your evidence that Kosovo is or will become a "terror supporting state"? Their elected president is Catholic, their laws are secular, (in a classic P.C. moment--after the Kosovar Albanians banned headscarves in schools, the U.N. overseers prohibited them from doing so as an act of religious intolerance against Muslims) and there's nothing to indicate any Islamic terrorist action ever originated in Kosovo (unlike for example the USA, Spain, Germany, and the entire North African & Arabian Shield area, etc). Life in Kosovo is secular, mosque attendance is low, the Cathholic Church is expanding, and both hemlines & alcohol consumption are high. After 9/11, mass demonstrations were held in sympathy for the USA and former KLA came to the consulate in Pristina to volunteer to fight with for us against the Taliban.

I was assigned to deal with Balkans issues on military staffs and have had extensive time on the ground in and around Kosovo. It is amazing to me that on Free Republic--supposedly the antithesis of the emotion driven & fact averse ideology of the left--that I find so many people who operate like the left when it comes to this issue.

19 posted on 12/30/2004 6:35:39 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

i never stated kosovo will be a direct state sponsor of terror. However, the logistical and financial links between al qaeda and egyptian islamic jihad and the KLA are very well documented. Interpol testified to the US house of representatives about the kla and its narco-trafficking funds going to islamic terror groups. Not to mention Fatos Klosi, Albania's secret service director, was quoted saying that bin laden had cells operating in albania to support the KLA. KLA now are involved heavily in heroin and opium trafficking which directly funds terrorist activity in the middle east and caucaus mountain region. If you'd like, i will be more than willing to provide links.
PS. i'd just like you to know that i, myself, am albanian and do not support the KLA in anyway shape or form.


20 posted on 12/30/2004 7:10:14 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

Photos and his war crimes.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:-iUtbr6ifRQJ:www.kosovo.com/ramush.html+%22RAMUSH+HARADINAJ%22&hl=en


21 posted on 12/30/2004 7:13:50 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Alex Marko

Here are some snippets of information against the KLA...

United States Senate Republican Senate Comm.-" The KLA made its military debut in February 1996 with the bombing of several camps housing Serbian refugees from wars in Croatia and Bosnia [Jane's Intelligence Review, 10/1/96]. The KLA (again according to the highly regarded Jane's,) "does not take into consideration the political or economic importance of its victims, nor does it seem at all capable of seriously hurting its enemy, the Serbian police and army. Instead, the group has attacked Serbian police and civilians arbitrarily at their weakest points. It has not come close to challenging the region's balance of military power" [Jane's, 10/1/96]."

"By late 1997, the Tehran-sponsored training and preparations of the Liberation Army of Kosovo (UCK -- Ushtria Clirimtare e Kosoves -- in Albanian, OVK in Serbian), as well as the transfer of weapons and experts via Albania, were being increased." by Yossef Bodansky, Defense and Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy (London), February 1998. Bodansky is Director of the House Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare. This report was written in late 1997, before the KLA's offensive in early 1998.]
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/fr033199.htm

Interpols Criminal Intelligence Division Testimony to Congress on Narco-trafficking and Extremist Groups Links(KLA) http://www.theantidrug.com/pdfs/rmutschke.pdf

I can go on and on and on about Drug trafficking, Prostitution rings, and Arms deals between the KLA and middle eastern groups. I work on a related committee that deals with them. And as an albanian, i am disgusted with the KLA. THey should not be rewarded.


22 posted on 12/30/2004 7:19:29 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

Here you will see a picture of KLA members with BEHEADED serbian civilians. How can you defend this?

http://www.kosovo.com/kladecapit.pdf


23 posted on 12/30/2004 7:21:53 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
i never stated kosovo will be a direct state sponsor of terror

Alex, I quoted you directly from your previous post. If that's not what you meant, OK--më fal.

24 posted on 12/30/2004 7:22:55 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Nuk ka problem. Listen, i'm not against ordinary Kosovars, however, the KLA i have a big, big issue against. Post 9/11, as an american, i could never support a group with such shady ties. Kosovo(a) suffered under milosevic and his radical serbian national agenda, however, the KLA made a critical mistake linking up with middle eastern groups regardless of the situation. Now as and AMERICAN, i put the US and its foreign policy first. Kosovo i see as a contridiction to other more important problematic areas. They should have split in the early 90's when Croatia, slovenia and Bosnia did.


25 posted on 12/30/2004 7:27:50 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: BobL
>>>I'd love that to be true, but these clowns in Kosovo were terrorists from the start - and Clinton sided with them.<<<

Dick Holbrooke:(sitting with KLA terrorist)

Mad Albright:(smooching with KLA terrorist)

KLA Terrorist Haradinaj is a Company's asset while at the same time being on W terrorist list as a leader of terrorist ANA in Macedonia.

Condie will have to showel truckloads of Clintonista manure from DOS Augie's stables.

26 posted on 12/30/2004 10:01:10 PM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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To: mark502inf
>>>>>>that I find so many people who operate like the left when it comes to this issue<<<<<

Mirror mirror on the Wall,
Who is the biggest terrorist KLA supporter of them all?


27 posted on 12/30/2004 10:09:02 PM PST by DTA (Feja e Shqiptarit eshte terorizm)
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To: DTA

C'mon, DTA--that picture is totally unfair. I NEVER eat apples.


28 posted on 12/31/2004 4:32:14 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
>>>>>C'mon, DTA--that picture is totally unfair. I NEVER eat apples<<<<

Poisoned Apple (i.e. veiled support to terrorist cause) is meant to the unsuspecting Freepers.

29 posted on 12/31/2004 7:10:48 AM PST by DTA (Feja e Shqiptarit eshte terorizm)
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To: Alex Marko; ma bell

>>>PS: i'd just like you to know that i, myself, am albanian and do not support the KLA in anyway shape or form.

This might very well be the case, however I am highly skeptical considering that your Albanian seems to be of gheg dialect while you claim to be an Albanian-American of tosk extraction. In addition you seem to have trouble "bending" nouns as anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of Albanian should be able to.
http://p083.ezboard.com/fbalkansfrm35.showMessageRange?topicID=591.topic&start=41&stop=53

Our buddy mabell here is known to have disguised himself as an Albanian before, using the same poor syntax as you.


30 posted on 12/31/2004 9:48:17 AM PST by GeraldP (Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.)
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To: GeraldP

i lived in a highly populated gheg speaking area in the US. I grew up with it, thats what i learned.


31 posted on 12/31/2004 9:49:37 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

listen buddy, dont question my albanian heritage. I will be on an albanian radio program this sunday. Vet kam lind en amerike, nuk e di me skroj shum, per kuptoj edhe fol mire.


32 posted on 12/31/2004 9:58:20 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

Your rhetoric is completely unconvincing to me, but we'll leave it at that for now. Truth has a way of revealing itself.


33 posted on 12/31/2004 10:02:47 AM PST by GeraldP (Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.)
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To: Alex Marko

What radio program would that be?


34 posted on 12/31/2004 10:05:47 AM PST by GeraldP (Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.)
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To: Alex Marko

"Kosovo expects independence in 2005,"

Wait a minute. You mean to tell me that this Sovereingty has been in the works for around 8 years now? What a quagmire.


36 posted on 12/31/2004 10:10:55 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Rebelbase

Its been longer than that. There has been tensions between serbia and kosovo for a very long time. Mainly due to serbia taking away federal rights to kosovo off and on for 50 years.


37 posted on 12/31/2004 10:17:44 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: mark502inf

"and there's nothing to indicate any Islamic terrorist action ever originated in Kosovo"

The Kosovo Liberation Army was/is a terrorist organization.
The KLA had links to Al Qaeda.

"after the Kosovar Albanians"

Strange you should mention them. They still do raids and terrorist attacks in neighboring Macedonia.

"both hemlines & alcohol consumption are high. After 9/11, mass demonstrations were held in sympathy for the USA and former KLA came to the consulate in Pristina to volunteer to fight with for us against the Taliban. "

I'm not saying that all, or even most Kosovar Muslims are terrorists. However, the KLA had links to Al Qaeda, and Muslim terrorists the world over came to fight the Serbs. Some of the heroes of the Kosovar Albanians are terrorists.

And anyway, moderate Muslim societies are easily infiltrated and controlled by hardliner terrorist Muslims [Iran, which before the revolution of 1979 was quite western, even selling oil to Israel] as an example.

And when the hardliners take control, all the moderate Muslims cringe, cooperate, and dont resist.


38 posted on 12/31/2004 11:12:55 AM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: GeraldP

You are claiming I am Knez Marko?


39 posted on 12/31/2004 1:20:53 PM PST by ma bell ("Goddamn it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!" - Captain Henry P. ")
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To: mark502inf

"I also think that solutions short of independence can work--some sort of enhanced autonomy & an extended international military presence with no major Serb government or military presence in the province."

So in other words have the Belgrade govenment resonsible for only some areas of Kosovo policy. Like in what areas? Federal laws? Foreign policy? Have Kosovo be responsible for the majority of it's matters?

"Oddly, the very guys the Serbs hate most--Haradinaj & Thaci--are the ones most likely & able to sell a status short of independence. Unlike President Rugova who--while widely respected--is known for his pacifist stands, Thaci & Haradinaj are war leaders who are much more likely to be heeded if they accept a status short of independence and renounce further violence. And both are savvy enough to look at things like Security Council realities and act accordingly."

Maybe, but we should never be quick to trust them. How do we know that they won't stab us in the back someday, at least if they think it serves their interests? At least Rugova is completely trustworthy. I think that we should just have Belgrade and Pristina work out some sort of compromise that both sides can more-or-less live with. THat seems to be the only possible kind of solution for this kind of situation.


40 posted on 12/31/2004 1:56:23 PM PST by Jacob Kell (WE WON! WE WON!)
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To: Jacob Kell
So in other words have the Belgrade govenment resonsible for only some areas of Kosovo policy. Like in what areas? Federal laws? Foreign policy? Have Kosovo be responsible for the majority of it's matters?

Jacob, philosophically in general and specifically for this situation I do believe that decentralization works best. The formerly communist countries are used to a very centralized and nationally controlled system in almost every facet of life. The inherent inefficiencies & unresponsive nature of that system were exacerbated in Yugoslavia by widespread mistrust in its impartiality and fairness when Milosevic took over on the strength of Serbian nationalism. As one result, every consitituent part that could split did so: Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Kosovo; and now Montenegro is making noise about doing the same. They all just wanted to manage their own affairs and that's what Kosovo wants as well.

Our state & local governments raise taxes, pay for, and control their own schools, colleges, libraries, museums, police, fire departments, parks, public buildings, elections, road building & maintenance, court systems, etc; establish & enforce most criminal, minor offense & traffic laws, set & enforce health ordinances & zoning. What's wrong with letting the Kosovars do that? And then privatize the state controlled businesses so the government cannot a la Milosevic hire & fire based on ethnicity & party affiliation. Giving Kosovo Province a free enterprise system and the equivalent authority we give our states & local governments would solve most of the complaints that led to their declaration of independence in 1992. (BTW, none of their complaints or current plans have anything to do with Islam; contrary to the silliness spouted by Serbs & their apologists seeking ex post facto exculpation for the atrocities they committed under Slobo.)

41 posted on 01/01/2005 6:20:35 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

"Our state & local governments raise taxes, pay for, and control their own schools, colleges, libraries, museums, police, fire departments, parks, public buildings, elections, road building & maintenance, court systems, etc; establish & enforce most criminal, minor offense & traffic laws, set & enforce health ordinances & zoning. What's wrong with letting the Kosovars do that?"

Not a thing.

"And then privatize the state controlled businesses so the government cannot a la Milosevic hire & fire based on ethnicity & party affiliation."

Local Serbs and other ethnic minorities will probably like the idea for the reason you gave above.

"Giving Kosovo Province a free enterprise system and the equivalent authority we give our states & local governments would solve most of the complaints that led to their declaration of independence in 1992."

Maybe, but some of the problems are no doubt rooted in militant ethnic nationalism. THough Milosevic's actions definetely didn't help one bit and only made things worse. Now that more moderate people like Kostunica are in power, the Kosovor Albanians might be more willing to settle for a sort of compromise.

No doubt the Yugoslav security forces in Kosovo would be recruited entirely from local people.

The Serbian government may be more fully responsible for the administration of ethnic Serb majority areas, like Leposavic or maybe Stripce. Also for the sites of historic and religious significance...such as the various monastaries.


42 posted on 01/01/2005 6:44:42 PM PST by Jacob Kell (WE WON! WE WON!)
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To: Jacob Kell
Maybe, but some of the problems are no doubt rooted in militant ethnic nationalism.

True. And that's why I think former KLA leaders Haradinaj & Thaci are better suited to make peace than Rugova. The militants are more likely to listen to them.

Now that more moderate people like Kostunica are in power, the Kosovor Albanians might be more willing to settle for a sort of compromise.

I think so, except that Kostunica has his own domestic political problems on Kosovo. He is in power based on a coalition with the Serb Radical Party. They are hard-liners on Kosovo and would not likely support a compromise.

No doubt the Yugoslav security forces in Kosovo would be recruited entirely from local people.

Again, the U.S. with our National Guard in each state provides a pretty good model. It is trained & equipped by the federal government, but commanded by each state's governor and the state has complete control to use its guard for disaster relief, riot control, etc.

The Serbian government may be more fully responsible for the administration of ethnic Serb majority areas, like Leposavic or maybe Stripce. Also for the sites of historic and religious significance...such as the various monastaries.

They'll have to hammer that stuff out--I'm a big believer in mixed security forces, in this case meaning Albs & Serbs. Helps some to build personal relationships, but even more they keep each other honest & acting professionaly.

43 posted on 01/01/2005 7:14:29 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Alex Marko; A. Pole; Destro; MarMema; Honorary Serb

I'm sorry, but when did Kosovo become independent? I must have missed that one. Oh, this is the neocon Economist. Yup, Kosovo, another neocon victory.


44 posted on 01/02/2005 11:41:22 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: DTA

Dioxine poisoned?


45 posted on 01/02/2005 11:44:34 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: mark502inf
>>>>>The formerly communist countries are used to a very centralized and nationally controlled system in almost every facet of life.<<<<<

Mark,your logic is based on flawed information and does not work in former Yugoslavia:

In 1948, Yugoslavia got out of Soviet orbit. That was 56 years ago.

In 1956 citizens were encouraged to spend their disposable income

In 1963, 1963 constitution dismantled command ecconomy and introduced federalism. That was 41 years ago.

In 1974 (1974 constitution) dismantled federalism and introduced regionalism.

Simply put, ALMOST NO ONE OF WORKING AGE on the territory of former Yugoslavia remembers firsthand "very centralized and nationally controlled system in almost every facet of life. For many, it existed before they were born. Like segregation in U.S.A.

If you are so interested in the Balkans, perhaps you should read some reputable history books and leave Cold war drill manuals and Albanian propaganda aside.

The fact is that Albanians have ABUSED Regionalism given to Kosovo by 1974 Constitution. Kosovo authonomy was not taken away because Albanians were harrasing and ethically cleansing Serbs but because IMF figured out Kosovo under Albanians will not be able to

1. pay off loans Albanian communists splurged instead of invested

2. control fiscal spending and swelled employment without ecconomic results.

Milosevich the banker merely acted as an agent of IMF. This fact is hidden behinde the barrage of "authonomy stripped from Albanians".

Parasitic culture has taken roots in Kosovo for decades under communism and continued to the present day. Business 'practicess" of graft, sabotage and outright theft are as common as line of credit in the west. Even Westerners who come to Kosovo become part of it.

Out of 100,000+ who were so far in Kosovo, did anyone bothered to ask what happened with the property of 300 000+ citizens who were chased away when NATO entered province? How many refused to rent stolen property?

Because of all this, it is not surprising that after tens of billions of foreign aid spent on 2 MILLION PEOPLE after 1999, there is no 24/7 water and electricity supply in Kosovo. Kosovo would look the same even with Emirates budget.

46 posted on 01/03/2005 10:45:52 AM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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To: DTA

Kosovo, is not independent. Its a UN protectorate state. In order for it to become independent, it has to have a new UN sec. counsil resolution adopted w/o a veto from Russia or china. Do the words...."yah right" sound appropriate? This is what happens when you have ex-nightclub bouncers(Haradinaj) as influencial leaders negotiating with professional politicians...you get hoodwinked.


47 posted on 01/03/2005 6:12:38 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Nesher

He got his training thanks to x42 who spent a few billion aiding and abeting the KLA terrorists..............once GWB got elected, the KLA criminals started getting thrown behind bars.........somehow this killer escaped Kfor's net.


48 posted on 01/05/2005 2:24:55 PM PST by ehoxha
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To: Alex Marko
Kosovo, is not independent. Its a UN protectorate state

nope - under the MTA and UNSCR 1244 it is part of Serbia

49 posted on 01/05/2005 2:29:25 PM PST by ehoxha
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To: ehoxha

You're right, legally it is serbias under 1244. But, it is run by the UN, Serbia has no say so in affairs as of now.


50 posted on 01/05/2005 10:59:40 PM PST by Alex Marko
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