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No, It Wasn't French vs. Indians
The New York Times ^ | January 1, 2005 | GLENN COLLINS

Posted on 01/01/2005 6:44:12 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: combat_boots

My personal favorite from this historic period is Mad Anthony Wayne, who has a county named after him, and who helped the original GW at this time.


21 posted on 01/01/2005 8:11:12 AM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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To: RaceBannon

To be perfectly fair, the English settlers and their Indian allies treated the French settlers and their Indian allies much the same.

This was a war to see who would dominate North America, the British or the French. It was not a war between absolute good and absolute evil.

The atrocities committed by each side were similar in type and in scope. We hear about those committed by the French and their allies because they were committed against "our" side.


22 posted on 01/01/2005 8:13:45 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Chad Fairbanks

ping


23 posted on 01/01/2005 8:15:33 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Governor Rossi was robbed.)
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To: Restorer

Perfectly fair my foot.

I collect old history books, and the stories of the INdians and their savagry against the settlers is well documented.

And there are no stories of Englishmen capturing Frenchmen and selling them as slaves in the new world.


24 posted on 01/01/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by RaceBannon (Jesus: Born of the Jews, through the Jews, for the sins of the World!)
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To: Pharmboy

The French, America's oldest enemy.


25 posted on 01/01/2005 8:18:20 AM PST by NeoCaveman (I care, just not very much.)
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To: RaceBannon

The history of savagery of the French and their Indian allies is indeed well-documented.

As is that of the English and their allies. But much of that documentation is in French and of little interest to most Americans, so it is not surprising that you are unfamiliar with it.

This was a war that went on without really stopping for almost as long as American has been a nation. Horrible deeds were committed by all sides.


26 posted on 01/01/2005 8:24:06 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Pharmboy
As a loyal supporter of John Kerry, no matter what terrible crimes he has committed against his country, I must protest any article that mentions Fort Ticonderoga. Each such mention is simply an effort by normal Americans to connect the traitor Benedict Arnold and the traitor John Kerry.

The MSM will not stand for this and neither should we. Sure, both Kerry and Arnold were good Americans until both betrayted their country and went over to the other side. It is unfair to subtly raise the comparison and hihlight Kerry's treason every tme Fort Ticonderoga is mentioned.

27 posted on 01/01/2005 8:31:16 AM PST by Tacis (Democrats! - When You Need America Blamed Or A Pool Peeed In!!)
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To: lemura

Yes...exactly right. And, he was FEARLESS in battle. He demonstrated this a number of times: on the Monogahela, at Trenton, Princeton, Manhattan, &etc. At the ill-fated Battle of Manhattan, he had to be physically led away from the charging Hessians (the incident took place around present-day 42nd St and Lexington Ave.--there was an apple orchard there at the time).


28 posted on 01/01/2005 8:32:30 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy
If you visit Alexandria, VA, (where Braddock began his ill-fated trek) you can still drive down Braddock Road.

Which peters out in the middle of nowhere in Loudoun County (or, at least did until Loudoun County had its massive growth spurt). Take a metal detector and try to find Braddock's payroll! :-D

29 posted on 01/01/2005 8:34:42 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks...I have always thought that the Deerfield Raid would make a great movie.


30 posted on 01/01/2005 8:35:13 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Ditto
I have not visited those sites yet, but I surely will. I have a quest to visit all the General's historic sites.

Christmas day our family follows a tradition and visits Mount Vernon as we did this year.

Your Obdt. Svt.,
PB

31 posted on 01/01/2005 8:37:18 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy
I'm a Civil War reenactor, but have always wanted to get involved in F&I reenacting because my ancestors were in that war. In 1757 one of my more nefarious and colorful ancestors was delegated by the young Washington to build a fort on the frontier of Virginia, and did so under constant hail of Indian arrows. The fort still stands today, in modified form, and a little village has grown up around it.

The difficulty with F&I reenacting is that there are so few reenactors at any battle that they can hardly hold more than a modest skirmish. It's not like the Civil War reenactors who can sometimes put 30,000 men and 125 guns in the field.

32 posted on 01/01/2005 8:38:25 AM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: Rodney King
Typical Times, assuming that its readership is stupid.

Not an unreasonable assumption, for the most part.

33 posted on 01/01/2005 8:39:04 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: mewzilla
Yes...and Fort Ti figures in both the French and Indian War and the RevWar (for those who are not familiar with it, none other than Benedict Arnold, teamed up with Ethan Allen took the fort in '75).

Allen, banged on the fort's door and cried "Open up in the name of Jehovah!"

34 posted on 01/01/2005 8:40:03 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy
How interesting to see a thread on this at this particular time. I've just been reviewing my son's history lessons with him, and a great deal of emphasis is placed on the French and Indian War.

We homeschool, and this is covered in the 4th grade curriculum. I frankly admit my shame at discovering just how much I had forgotten about this important part of our history.

We're transitioning to the American Revolution now, and I find I'm re-learning some of that, too.

35 posted on 01/01/2005 8:41:34 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: Pharmboy
The main problem probably is that teaching the wars that France has been in and lost gets redundant
36 posted on 01/01/2005 8:41:52 AM PST by In veno, veritas
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To: nathanbedford
Interesting that the French embraced them, learned their languages and lived amongst them.

While speaking of our aborigines, allow me to remind all of our Freepers that during the RevWar the only Algonquin tribe to stand with the patriots were the Oneidas. Please always support them.

37 posted on 01/01/2005 8:42:28 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: nathanbedford
How else would you regard treacherous stone age aborigines who engaged in terroristic murder, torture and cannibalism and who were in fact physically dirty?

You've chosen your screen name well.

38 posted on 01/01/2005 8:43:18 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 01/01/2005 8:46:49 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass)
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To: TontoKowalski
This stuff is fascinating.

The Brits made New York their base of operations during the F&I war. This brought great prosperity to this growing North American port city. When the war ended and they pulled out in 1763, the city experienced a depression which directly led to events culminating in the American Revolution.

Certainly, Boston was the RevWar city from 1770 on, but from 1765-1770, the Sons of Liberty and Revolutionary activity centered in NYC.

40 posted on 01/01/2005 8:49:03 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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