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Scientists: Volcano Could Swamp U.S. with Mega-Tsunami (And possibly strand dolphins miles inland)
Reuters ^ | Wed, Jan 05, 2005 | Daniel Flynn

Posted on 01/05/2005 6:32:35 AM PST by presidio9

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To: presidio9

Tsunami and global warming bracketed........that tells us everything we need to know about this 'junk' scientist.


21 posted on 01/05/2005 6:47:38 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: presidio9
"He ranks tsunami risk as second only to global warming in the hazards facing the planet."

I wonder what he ranks third. Oil drilling?

22 posted on 01/05/2005 6:48:01 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: presidio9

"typically erupts at intervals of between 20 and 200 years"

Well, at least he narrowed it down, so we can be prepared


23 posted on 01/05/2005 6:48:58 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: Brilliant

Actually the island is already split and sperating according to a special that was on TV last year. All it would take would be for the volcano to activate in a certain area to make the break slide off --- this will cause the tsunami.

If you look at the undersea maps around Hawaii, you will see huge areas that were cause by these massive landslide that in turn cause mega-tsunamis.

A scientist claiming it will take a thousand years for the island to maybe fall is probably the same scientist that would have predicted no tsunamis will happen in 2004 on december 23 if asked.

PS --- On december 24 2004 an asteroid came UNDER the orbit of our man-made satellites - almost immediately there was a massive earthquake 8.4 opposite of its approach near Australia, then came the series of quakes following up and around the tectonic plate line. ---- is Krakatoa next? Then .... ???


24 posted on 01/05/2005 6:50:23 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: presidio9
A wall of water up to 55 yards high crashing into the Atlantic seaboard of the United States, flattening everything in its path -- not a Hollywood movie but a dire prophecy by some British and U.S. academics....

Who are currently seeking funds to do a more in-depth study of...

25 posted on 01/05/2005 6:51:10 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: steplock
Actually the island is already split and sperating according to a special that was on TV last year. All it would take would be for the volcano to activate in a certain area to make the break slide off --- this will cause the tsunami.

This is considered a crock by many geologists and tsunami experts.

TV documentaries, either science or history, are riddled with inaccuracies or biased viewpoints.

26 posted on 01/05/2005 6:51:38 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: presidio9

Blame Bush!


27 posted on 01/05/2005 6:52:26 AM PST by BIGZ
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To: steplock
A scientist claiming it will take a thousand years for the island to maybe fall is probably the same scientist that would have predicted no tsunamis will happen in 2004 on december 23 if asked.

Umm.....there was no tsunami on December 23rd.

And any knowledgeable scientist asked to predict a tsunami on a specific date would simply say that's not possible.

28 posted on 01/05/2005 6:52:48 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: presidio9

Our problem is not earthquakes or ocean surges, its so called experts who love to see the names and/or theories in print.


29 posted on 01/05/2005 6:54:09 AM PST by hgro
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To: yankeedame

You got it!!


30 posted on 01/05/2005 6:54:15 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Strategerist

...no tsunamis will happen in 2004 on december 23 if asked.

My poor choice of word placement -- it was correct, but confusing.

it should have read no tsunamis will happen in 2004 if asked on december 23.

it was my dyslexia's fault ... yeah ... that's why! ;>)


31 posted on 01/05/2005 6:55:44 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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EVALUATION OF THE THREAT OF MEGA TSUNAMI GENERATION FROM POSTULATED MASSIVE SLOPE FAILURES OF ISLAND STRATOVOLCANOES ON LA PALMA, CANARY ISLANDS, AND ON THE ISLAND OF HAWAII

George Pararas-Carayannis

Paper published in Science of Tsunami Hazards, Vol 20, No.5, pages 251-277, 2002. (Modified html format)

Original may be downloaded as pdf document from

www.sthjournal.org

ABSTRACT

Massive flank failures of island stratovolcanoes are extremely rare phenomena and none have occurred within recorded history. Recent numerical modeling studies, forecasting mega tsunami generation from postulated, massive slope failures of Cumbre Vieja in La Palma, Canary Islands, and Kilauea, in Hawaii, have been based on incorrect assumptions of volcanic island slope instability, source dimensions, speed of failure and tsunami coupling mechanisms. Incorrect input parameters and treatment of wave energy propagation and dispersion, have led to overestimates of tsunami far field effects. Inappropriate media attention and publicity to such probabilistic results have created unnecessary anxiety that mega tsunamis may be imminent and may devastate densely populated coastlines at locations distant from the source - in both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.


The present study examines the assumptions and input parameters used by probabilistic numerical models and evaluates the threat of mega tsunami generation from flank failures of island stratovolcanoes. Based on geologic evidence and historic events, it concludes that massive flank collapses of Cumbre Vieja or Kilauea volcanoes are extremely unlikely to occur in the near geologic future. The flanks of these island stratovolcanoes will continue to slip aseismically, as in the past. Sudden slope failures can be expected to occur along faults paralleling rift zones, but these will occur in phases, over a period of time, and not necessarily as single, sudden, large-scale, massive collapses. Most of the failures will occur in the upper flanks of the volcanoes, above and below sea level, rather than at the basal decollement region on the ocean floor. The sudden flank failures of the volcanoes of Mauna Loa and Kilauea in 1868 and 1975 and the resulting earthquakes generated only destructive local tsunamis with insignificant far field effects. Caldera collapses and large slope failures associated with volcanic explosions of Krakatau in 1883 and of Santorin in 1490 B.C., generated catastrophic local tsunamis, but no waves of significance at distant locations. Mega tsunami generation, even from the larger slope failures of island stratovolcanoes, is extremely unlikely to occur. Greater source dimensions and longer wave periods are required to generate tsunamis that can have significant, far field effects. The threat of mega tsunami generation from massive flank failures of island stratovolcanoes has been greatly overstated.


Remainder of paper at

http://www.drgeorgepc.com/TsunamiMegaEvaluation.html


32 posted on 01/05/2005 6:56:13 AM PST by Strategerist
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This seems like a scenario where the ACLU would sue the volcano for killing dolphins.......

It's a wacky article, written for cheap attention.


33 posted on 01/05/2005 6:56:29 AM PST by gortklattu (As the preacher in Blazing Saddles said "You're on your own.")
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To: steplock

Earthquakes, and therefore tsunamis, cannot be predicted.

If you asked any legitimate scientist on December 23rd if there would be any tsunami in the next 7 days, they'd say they have no idea.


34 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:08 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: steplock

Yeah, but it's so far away that by the time it got to the US it's height would be greatly diminished. And that means it would need to be an extra-powerful explosion in order to make a major impact on the US.

I also heard a scientist on TV say that it would take 9 hours to get here, because of the distance.

I'm in Orlando, and was reading an article about whether a tidal wave could impact the Florida coast. Of course, the answer is yes, but the article made it sound like it would not have a significant impact because the height of the wave is limited to approximately twice the depth of the surrounding water, and the waters around Florida are pretty shallow.


35 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:36 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: presidio9

never saw this gem (on the right). Is it real? What a first class imebecil. Did he really get 40-something percent of the vote? They must not have seen this, either.

36 posted on 01/05/2005 6:58:37 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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To: Strategerist
I think scientists were the first lawyers --- how to NEVER say anything definitely.

"... not necessarily as single, sudden, large-scale, massive collapses ..."

I love the "not necessarily" -- but it maybe coulda, woulda, shoulda ?
37 posted on 01/05/2005 7:00:39 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: presidio9
He ranks tsunami risk as second only to global warming in the hazards facing the planet.

He lost his credibility right there.

38 posted on 01/05/2005 7:07:31 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Brilliant

Wouldn't the Mid-Atlantic Trench dissipate the enegy of the Tsunami the way tha the abyss protected Diego Garcia from last week's tsunami?


39 posted on 01/05/2005 7:07:37 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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Wouldn't the Mid-Atlantic Trench dissipate the enegy of the Tsunami the way tha the abyss protected Diego Garcia from last week's tsunami?

The main reason DG was spared is that it was south of the main part of the tsunami wave.

There's also no Mid-Atlantic Trench. There's a Mid-Atlantic RIDGE.

Accounts are spotty but the tsunami in the Carribean Islands and the East Coast was fairly substantial (but not huge) from the 1755 Lisbon Earthquake.

40 posted on 01/05/2005 7:11:07 AM PST by Strategerist
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