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Chinese Dissident Predicts Collapse of CCP
The Epoch Times ^ | Dec 30, 2004 | Gary Feuerberg

Posted on 01/06/2005 2:54:31 PM PST by shrinkermd

ROCKVILLE, MARYLAND - Jingsheng Wei, a well-known Chinese dissident and democracy advocate, stated on December 18th that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) would collapse “sooner or later”. Wei believes that this will occur in part due to the effects of a recently published uncensored history of the CCP that has been sending shockwaves throughout Chinese communities throughout the world.

The Epoch Times has published a nine-part commentary on the CCP, thoroughly detailing its brutal history in a way never before seen in modern China. Since the publication of the commentaries, over 1,700 Communist Party cadres have decided to renounce their party membership, most likely due to their new understanding of a history they never had access to before.

Speaking at a forum held in Rockville, Maryland about the nine commentaries, Wei spoke of the Chinese people’s experiences living under the CCP. When former CCP Chairman Mao Zedong said, “We are just against 5% of the people.” Wei explained, “Most people then felt safe [from persecution].” However, after several decades of Maoist campaigns of persecution, including the Cultural Revolution, “it seems everybody has been persecuted! [Even] a lot of Communist Party members are persecuted too. The Chinese People don’t have any freedom or place to appeal.”

Wei, who was jailed for his pro-democracy activism for 18 years, said, “More and more, people began to fight back. At first people thought that only a few people are bad, but later they came to realize that the Communist Party itself is bad.” After the June 4th [Tiananmen Square massacre], many Chinese came to America as democracy advocates, wanting to end the one-party system in China. Inside China, the democracy movement was relatively small, and only some intellectuals belonged. But “overseas, the Democracy Movement became the big enemy of the CCP. The latter fears the support of overseas democracy movement because it can support indigenous rebellions and oppressed people.”

Wei added that the Nine Commentaries would play a major role in the collapse of the CCP, which he was certain would happen “sooner or later.”

One audience member asked, “We [Mainland Chinese] have it pretty good now. Why take the CCP down?”

“It will only get worse," Wei answered, "Better to get rid of the CCP as people will suffer more and more,” although he acknowledged that there will be a difficult transition period.

Tao Wang, from the Coalition of Protecting Freedom of Speech and Human Rights, pointed out that the Nine Commentaries had even convinced a high-ranking government official to leave the CCP. Weizai Meng, 71, withdrew from the CCP after being a member for 55 years as a former Propaganda Department high official in charge of literature and art. The Epoch Times published his statement of renouncement. However, Xinhuanet, the official Communist news agency, published a retraction alleging that Meng was still a Communist and would remain one even after his death. Meng then published a second statement, declaring that he had truly quit the party, and the statement on Xinhua was a fake.

Wang concluded that the CCP always tells lies, like the fake statement in Xinhua: “Kind people are always being cheated by their lies. The CCP uses violence and lies to control the Chinese people. If we expose the true nature of the CCP, more people will awaken.”


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: ccp; chicoms; china; communist; deathtocommunism; demise; dissidents; geopolitics; party; redchina
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? I have not seen any postings from this paper before. It seems to be reporting on events and people not covered by the MSM.
1 posted on 01/06/2005 2:54:31 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
won't happen anytime soon imho.

if it does, expect mass suicide at DU...

2 posted on 01/06/2005 3:06:24 PM PST by William of Orange (I'm John Kerry and I approve this message. No I don't. Yes I do. No I don't. Yes I do. Maybe, not.)
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To: shrinkermd

---Chinese Dissident Predicts Collapse of CCP ---

Yes and I'm predicting that at 15:30 today my dentist will try to relieve my wallet of several C-Notes...

I think my prediction will come to fruition before theirs does...


3 posted on 01/06/2005 3:10:25 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: shrinkermd

They still blaming the Gang of Four?


4 posted on 01/06/2005 3:15:18 PM PST by Bogey78O (Hillary Clinton + Fertility pills + Scott Peterson + rowboat = Success)
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To: shrinkermd

Download the complete Jiuping: Word | PDF

0. Introduction
More than a decade after the fall of the former Soviet Union and Eastern European communist regimes, the international communist movement has been spurned worldwide. The demise of the Chinese Communist Party is only a matter of time.

1. On What the Communist Party Is
This article concerns the impact on the civilization of China of the communist movement and the Communist Party. Looking at the history of China’s last 160 years, nearly one hundred million people have died unnatural deaths and almost all of the traditional Chinese culture and civilization have been destroyed. What have been the consequences, whether the CCP was chosen by the Chinese or it was imposed on China from the outside?

2. On the Beginnings of the Chinese Communist Party
Why did the Communist Party emerge, grow and eventually seize power in contemporary China? Did the Chinese people choose the Communist Party? Or, did the Communist Party gang up and force Chinese people to accept it? The CCP has set itself above all, conquering all in its path, thereby bringing endless catastrophe to China.

3. On the Tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party
Today the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)’s violence and abuses are even more severe than those of the tyrannical Qin Dynasty. The CCP’s philosophy is one of “struggle,” and the CCP’s rule has been built upon a series of “class struggles,” “path struggles,” and “ideological struggles,” both in China and toward other nations.

4. On How the Communist Party Is an Anti-Universe Force
In the last hundred years, the sudden invasion by the communist specter has created a force against nature and humanity, causing limitless agony and tragedy. It has also pushed civilization to the brink of destruction. It has become an extremely malevolent force against the universe.

5. On the Collusion of Jiang Zemin with the CCP to Persecute Falun Gong
Why is Falun Gong, which upholds the principles of “Truthfulness, Compassion and Tolerance” and has been promulgated in over 60 countries worldwide, being persecuted only in China, not anywhere else in the world? In this persecution, what is the relationship between Jiang Zemin and the CCP?

6. On How the Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture
The CCP has devoted the nation’s resources to destroying China’s rich traditional culture. The CCP’s destruction of Chinese culture has been planned, well organized, and systematic, made possible by the state’s use of violence. Since its establishment, the CCP has never stopped “revolutionizing” Chinese culture in the attempt to completely destroy its spirit.

7. On the Chinese Communist Party’s History of Killing
The 55-year history of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is written with blood and lies. The stories behind this bloody history are not only brutally inhumane but also rarely known. Under the rule of the CCP, 60 to 80 million innocent Chinese people have been killed, leaving their broken families behind.

8. On How the Chinese Communist Party Is an Evil Cult
The Communist Party is essentially an evil cult that harms mankind. Although the Communist Party has never called itself a religion, it matches every single trait of a religion. At the beginning of its establishment, it regarded Marxism as the absolute truth in the world. It exhorted people to engage in a life-long struggle for the goal of building a “communist heaven on earth.”

9. On the Scoundrel Nature of the Chinese Communist Party
What is most terrifying is that the CCP is going all out to try to destroy the moral foundation of the entire nation, attempting to turn every Chinese national to various degrees into a scoundrel in order to create an environment favorable for the CCP to “advance with time.” It is especially important for us to understand clearly why the CCP acts like scoundrels and to discern its criminal nature.


5 posted on 01/06/2005 3:29:11 PM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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excellent addition to an excellent post. Very interesting indeed.

to the scoffers.... remember in the the early 80s how the Soviet Union could not be defeated, and even if it COULD BE, not for several decades and as much as a century???

The Ancient Culture of China has withstood much more than this parasite. I suspect the good people there will shrug this one off too. Go forward People of China!! :-)


6 posted on 01/06/2005 4:24:18 PM PST by Trupolitik
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To: shrinkermd

Fairly new paper that is banned in the PRC. They also publish local editions around the USA.


7 posted on 01/06/2005 4:58:13 PM PST by PeterFinn (Liberals are a greater threat to the USA than are Islamofascists.)
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To: William of Orange

"if it does, expect mass suicide at DU..."

KoolAid anyone? I'm buying!!!


8 posted on 01/06/2005 4:59:06 PM PST by PeterFinn (Liberals are a greater threat to the USA than are Islamofascists.)
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To: shrinkermd
China, like the late USSR, is a fear society. Its inevitable collapse is simply a matter of time. One day the CCP will be histoire and the Chinese people will be living in a free and democratic country. Freedom cannot be stopped and its flame exists in every human heart.
9 posted on 01/06/2005 5:05:11 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Trupolitik

The time frame of CCP collapse is conveniently left open. Collapse it will (or fade into irrelevancy - everything does eventually), but probably on time scale of a few generations, barring some catastrophe. As for the example of Soviet Union, it stagnated for a couple of decades before collapsing. China is not yet in stagnation phase, and will not be there for a while; quite the opposite, it is economically rather dynamic. Thus in all probability USSR comparison is not directly applicable.


10 posted on 01/06/2005 5:07:56 PM PST by GSlob
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To: shrinkermd

Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China. There are a number of sources that estimate there are 65 - 100 million Christians in China today (Chinese Church Research Centre (CCRC) in Hongkong). Estimates are that by 2030 China will be the largest Christian Nation on Earth.


11 posted on 01/06/2005 5:16:02 PM PST by Species8472
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To: shrinkermd
I have enjoyed reading this thread. Seemingly, many believe that the current elite in China will fail. I am of the opinion that no society has ever existed for long without elites. As Machiavelli put it one either is ruled by lions or foxes. I know that presently this is not a commonly held view because of the egalitarian mysticism endemic in the common culture, but to me it seems almost biologically rooted. We have more elites and elites who mouth anti-elitism as a core value: our elites seem like a flat plateau on a hill rather than the apex of pyramid.

CP of China is a lion but where are her foxes to be? Our foxes are in the hidden and not so hidden persuaders of the media, business, industry and government. It took a long time to blunt class differences and institute democratic procedures; hence, my vote is that the change in China will come but like others indicate only after a generation or two.

12 posted on 01/06/2005 5:39:26 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Trupolitik

"to the scoffers.... remember in the the early 80s how the Soviet Union could not be defeated, and even if it COULD BE, not for several decades and as much as a century???"

Very naive. The USSR's economy was decimated and there was no way it could continue its cold war with the U.S. The rulers of the Soviet Union had no choice but to open things up and negotiate with the U.S. On the other hand, China's economy is strong and growing and in spite of its tyrannical policies the CCP has the overwhelming support of the population due to increasing wealth of individuals in the urban populations. The people in the countryside that are stagnating in poverty have no influence and no power and are thus present no threat to the CCP. It will be a long time before we see democracy in China and before then you can expect a very rocky ride.

"The Ancient Culture of China has withstood much more than this parasite. I suspect the good people there will shrug this one off too. Go forward People of China!! :-)"

China has been ruled by tyrants for thousands of years. The CCP is merely a continuation of the same. The populace is used to it and will definitely not push for change as long as the CCP has the "mandate of heaven." Individuals rights are a notion largely foriegn to Chinese culture which is strongly influenced by Confucian thought.


13 posted on 01/06/2005 6:40:05 PM PST by Avenger
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To: shrinkermd
A democratic China?

I predict within two decades. The younger generations have been exposed to democratic ideas. There is a growing well-educated middle class, who will demand democracy. The old dictator types can't live forever.

The transition from fascism to democracy happened in Chinese Taiwan and South Korea, then it can happen in China.
14 posted on 01/06/2005 7:58:51 PM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: Steel Wolf
China ping
15 posted on 01/06/2005 8:03:04 PM PST by MrNatural (..".You want the truth?!"...)
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To: shrinkermd

Very interesting post and thread. Thanks.

I have no idea how long the CCP will last, but I do have hope that Solzhenitsyn is correct in his essential optimism.

"Do not live lies."

Indeed.

"The Truth will make you free."

More grace than we deserve.


16 posted on 01/06/2005 10:07:56 PM PST by Iris7 (.....to protect the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Same bunch, anyway.)
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To: rdb3
rdb3

Is the coat of arms on your home page from an university?
17 posted on 01/06/2005 10:13:19 PM PST by lbmorris11 (America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
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To: lbmorris11
It's my fraternity's coat of arms.


18 posted on 01/07/2005 4:07:30 AM PST by rdb3 (Can I join the Pajamahadeen even if I sleep in the nude?)
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To: rdb3

Thanks for the post. Sounds an awful lot like our own Progressive Democrats.


19 posted on 01/07/2005 5:54:44 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: shrinkermd
It's a great paper.

It used to only have a Chinese language edition. Now it has started an english language edition and you are correct -- it has news MSM doesn't ever know about or will not report because they will not report things about countries if it will cause them to lose their access.

Saddam did this and China does it still and will always while the communists there are in power.

20 posted on 01/08/2005 1:00:51 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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