Posted on 01/07/2005 10:58:33 AM PST by VU4G10
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OK, quick legal question: since this booklet can be reasonably argued as promoting a criminal act, it woudl seem that rippign it off woudl be reasonably ok. Consequently... how illegal would it be to re-print it with some... changes?
"When crossing the desert, make sure to bring as many salty snacks as possible."
"When crossing the river, wear lots of cotton and wool."
"When crossing major highways at night, you can never wear dark enough clothes."
BTTT
Yesterday someone was wanting to see this translated but I can't remember who. Thanks.
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico (Reuters) - The number of illegal immigrants detained on the U.S.-Mexico border jumped in late 2004 as the U.S. government tightened security, although some border agents said it only signaled that more people were crossing the frontier.
The U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection (USBCBP) said 194,576 undocumented migrants were arrested crossing the border in the period from Oct. 1, 2004, to Jan. 4, up almost 13 percent from the same period a year earlier.
The government said improved security was behind the rise in arrests.
But border patrol agents said the rise in detentions simply reflects how more Mexicans have been crossing the border since President Bush announced last year a plan to legalize the status of illegal Mexican migrants.
"This is clearly tied in with President Bush's call after his re-election to revive the guest worker program," said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, an association representing 10,000 rank-and-file agents. "Migrants are rushing over the border to take advantage of that."
The USBCBP data comes nearly a year after the United States and Mexico agreed to tighten security on their border, seen by some as the soft underbelly for the U.S. war on terror.
"The numbers of detentions are up because we have more agents, more flexibility and more technology that contributes to us stemming the flow," Luis Gonzalez, acting spokesman for the USBCBP, said in a telephone interview from Washington.
Recent efforts by U.S. authorities to tighten border security include the allocation of a further 200 agents, four helicopters and an unmanned aerial surveillance drone to the U.S. Border Patrol in Arizona in an initiative last March.
Each year, more than 1 million undocumented migrants attempt to slip across the rivers and deserts that mark the 2,000-mile border in search of work in the United States. Almost half of them come through Arizona.
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I did ask. but a while ago.
It's not quite as bad as I had anticipated. Still, it comes awfully close to being an act of war.
unreal--and it's both democrats and republicans at fault
Ridiculous statement Bump
It is totally ridiculous, isn't it? That's our border situation for ya.
Quite frankly, I am outraged about it.
If this is on the up and up, then where is Canada's guide to illegal entry to the US?
Well, at least it advises them to stay out of trouble.
Dunno about the advice to drink salty water, however.
Beware of patriotic gringos caring guns along the border - they are very pissed about invaders!
Act of war without a doubt. They are advocating and aiding the invasion of our country.

I hope that our government prints a good guide for Americans that want to get out before the bottom falls out
However, I believe it was printed simply to keep from having more and more illegals die each year from the risks they take in coming. I see nothing wrong with letting people know of the dangers present in making such a decision and advising them on what NOT to do (which could certainly lead to death)...in fact, one page states that "coyotes" (people, often U.S. citizens who know the land, who are payed to smuggle in immigrants) should not be trusted, because they may trick you into bringing drugs into the country (and personally, I feel coyotes are much worse than illegal immigrants).
Finally, like I've always said, you can't place TOO much blame on someone for trying to find work in another country if none is available at home. You CAN, however, place much blame on the Mexican government for doing little, if anything, to improve their own economic situation.
Hah...ok, I'm done, I know I'm getting the flame, but be gentle. :)
I'm still p*ssed at the official sanction this pamphlet seems to give to illegal invading a sovereign country.
However, the information contained may actually serve to discourage potential invaders by informing them that the streets aren't actually paved with gold up here, and they just might not be warmly received (as our president has led them to believe), and that their choice to 'jump the fence' may have fatal consequences.
BTT
keep from having more and more illegals die each year from the risks they take in coming.
1.19 million illegals were caught trying to enter the country last year, and less than 150 died from all causes...mostly car wrecks when their guides tried to outrun La Migra. That is statistically insignificant and most definitely is not the reason the pamphlet was published. Please don't delude yourself into thinking that the pamphlet is in any way humanitarian in nature.
should not be trusted, because they may trick you into bringing drugs into the country
They don't trick anyone into bringing drugs over, they pay them. How the coyotes are bad is this: they'll take your 2 grand to get you 2 miles across the border and tell you to walk north for a day and a half and you'll be in Phoenix. Then abandon you. 200 miles south of Phoenix.
you can't place TOO much blame on someone for trying to find work in another country if none is available at home.
There's work available south of the border when Mexicans take the knowledge they gain working in the US back home and start their own businesses. That isn't happening often enough, but it is happening.
Thinking, knowledgable people know that this pamphlet is all about promoting illegal immigration. It's only the protestations of the Mexican Foreign Minister and our Open Border supporting press that keep anyone from seeing the truth.
There. That wasn't too bad a flame, was it?
However, you are mistaken when saying coyotes never trick people. True, they do sometimes attempt to pay people to sneak drugs through. Most often, though, they simply tell someone to take a "package" with them and give it to someone on the other side. It's simple, really: why pay someone for something you could get done for free?
Your other point about dropping people off in the middle of nowhere, though, is very true.
I see you're from CA. That puts you on the front lines of the problem...I feel for you.
I live in Sierra Vista, AZ. This is where the dike has finally burst...BP has apprehended more illegals within 50 miles of my house than they have in all other sectors combined. I hike and hunt in the hills and flats here on the border, and the things I've seen would chill you.
As for being Mexican...so is my daughter-in-law...half Mexican and half Spanish. Many of the folks on these threads are considered to be (or are called) racists. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's lawlessness that we abhor, that and the degradation of our neighborhoods that comes with the lawlessness.
Thanks for stopping in to read this, and thanks for your honesty and insight. It's appreciated.
time for barbedwire and landmines
A booklet to fix a "broken economy"?
That's rich.
Here's your "booklet". Find all the crooked cops and politicians, take them out and shoot them.
well, then THAT'S your booklet -- i never said it would be all smiles, peace, and harmony, now did i?
Point is, everyone knows what the problem is. But not every problem has a solution. Rather than getting mixed up in Mexico's mess, I would rather build a very high and very long fence on our southern border.
"It's not quite as bad as I had anticipated. Still, it comes awfully close to being an act of war."
It is an Act of War as it is indeed a violation of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo (1848) that estalished the border. Specifically as detailed in Article V, paragraph 4:
"The boundary line established by this article shall be religiously respected by each of the two republics, and no change shall ever be made therein, except by the express and free consent of both nations, lawfully given by the General Government of each, in conformity with its own constitution."
We have the right to militarize the border under Article XVI:
"Each of the contracting parties reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security."
And we should do so.
Friends of mine moved from NorCal a few years ago to a place literally on the border and they tell me the illegals are bad enough when they cross over - but it is the MEXICAN ARMY incursions that bother them the most.
We're all cattle - the government business is just rounding up and branding more for the mill...
I agree.
If the country of Mexico is an ally, we are in deep, you know what.
They refused to back the US in the Iraq war. The president said if you aren't with us, you're against us. What the he!! happened to that?
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kewl!
i like wart hogs.
you see them all the time flying in and out of davis monthan in tucson.
Did anyone else notice how the drawings in this booklet resemble the cartoon art in a Chick Tract?
You aren't troubled by a foreign government urging it's citizens to break laws in the USA?
Check out the part about not abusing your children or beating your wife --- all that is obviously quite fine in Mexico --- but Americans have these strange laws that you might be advised to not get caught doing these things.
BTTT
It's actually doing the opposite --- just to get millions more to leave. That loving caring government (cough cough) just raised minimum wage in Mexico to the equivalent of $4.15 a day --- not too long ago it was the equivalent of $4.50 a day --- so it's clear they're keeping things very bad for the majority.
I also notice that government has not provided any comic books to the women and girls of Ciudad Juarez who just keep getting murder --- over 400 murdered and raped --- but there is no effort from that government for them.
That's just it, I didn't get the impression that they were urging people to cross the border. To urge them would have been to portray the US as the land of milk and honey. All this pamphlet did was tell them how not to get lost in the desert and to avoid coyotes. It also told them that they should try coming here legally first.
The whole general tone is yes it's easier if you can manage to get over legally BUT if you go illegally then ..... first of all mentioning all the Mexican government offices all throughout the USA --- the Consulates which will assist them in breaking USA laws. "If you decide to use the services of "polleros", "coyotes" or "pateros" to cross the border, consider the following precautions to take:
Don't let him out of your sight; remember that he's the only one that knows the terrain and therefore is the one that can get you out." Don't trust the smugglers.... BUT if you get one ---- don't let him out of your sight ---- after all --- he knows the area and can get you past the border very easily...." Don't beat your children and wife ... but if you do try not to get caught..... but if you do get caught contact the Consulate ---- we're there to make sure you aren't punished under American laws.....
The pictures are even worse --- the first pages show the walking across the border --- behind women with big shapely behinds. The Rio Grande is portrayed as a small narrow creek. Then when it tells them to get legal aid --- an almost porno-shaped woman is standing there --- the lawyer? It's a very bizarre little book --- but not when you consider the source.
I suppose you're right. I'd like to see an original copy. I did notice that the guys on the cover look an awful lot like super heroes. They don't look at bit like the Mexicans around here (you can't go to QuikTrip without tripping over a dozen of them).
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