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Shrike 5.56 by ARES Defense Systems Finally Makes it to Production.
Defense Reviews (.com) ^ | 12 August 2004 | David C.

Posted on 01/10/2005 11:16:50 AM PST by 45Auto

The Shrike 5.56 LMG(Light Machine Gun) upper, by ARES Defense Systems, LLC, is in production and currently available for pre-order(both in select-fire and semi-auto-only configurations), and the ARES Defense Systems site is up and running. If you remember, DefRev reported on the Shrike 5.56 and ARES Defense Systems some time ago.

If it works as advertised, the Shrike 5.56 just might throw the Squad Automatic Weapon(SAW)/LMG market right on it's ear. When fitted to a standard M16 or M4 lower, the Shrike, coming in at about 8 lbs, turns said weapon into a lightweight SAW/LMG that is supposedly every bit as or more reliable than...

its much heavier competition in the "squad automatic weapon" category. The FN M249 Minimi for example, currently in use by our armed forces, is significantly heavier and more cumbersome, even in its new MK46 MOD 0(for the Navy SEAL's) or M249SPW configurations. "SPW" stands for "Special Purpose Weapon", by the way.

The MK46 MOD 0 and M249SPW both weigh 12.6 lbs. The Shrike 5.56 set-up even appears to be about 2.5 lbs lighter than the universally-acclaimed Ultimax 100 LMG/SAW, made by ST Kinetics of Singapore, and roughly 7 lbs lighter than the Israeli Negev Commando LMG/SAW, made by IMI(Israel Military Industries). Only time will tell if the Shrike's performance under harsh battlefield conditions can equal that of either the Ultimax or Negev, both of which are supposed to be highly reliable and durable under adverse conditions. Again, ARES Defense Systems is taking orders right now. Both full-auto and semi-auto(pre-ban and post-ban) uppers are available. I believe this product will prove to be a very big deal in the small arms/tactical firearms market, if it works as advertised, and is reliable and durable. I've spoken with the designer on a number of occasions, and have been waiting a long time for the Shrike 5.56 to be available to the public. It should be noted that DefenseReview.com has no financial stake or interest in the Shrike 5.56. We just really like the concept and significant promise the system has demonstrated.


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1 posted on 01/10/2005 11:16:51 AM PST by 45Auto
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2 posted on 01/10/2005 11:18:30 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto

pictures?


3 posted on 01/10/2005 11:18:59 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Ares Defense Systems
4 posted on 01/10/2005 11:20:09 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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5 posted on 01/10/2005 11:20:51 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto

5.56 is too light.

Haven't we learned any thing from the battle field over the past 40 years?


6 posted on 01/10/2005 11:21:19 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Politicians - serve to *live*. Armed Forces - live to *serve*.)
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To: 45Auto

So now you can "rock-and-roll" on that prarie dog town, or take out that squad of rabbits invading your garden.


For all the money spent to create a light machine gun (that, incidentally, fires a round that the Army no longer considers adequate), they could have redone the 'Sixty (which fires a round that anyone in their right mind considers adequate). Yes, the 'sixty is heavier, but not by much, and it has a far more serious reputation.


7 posted on 01/10/2005 11:24:08 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: 45Auto

That thing loaded with 5.56 green tip would have been perfect for Advance Party security sweeps.


8 posted on 01/10/2005 11:24:17 AM PST by Darksheare (Taglines may or may not reflect reality depending upon the humor of their owner. I'm a penguin!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

I would rather get shot with a 7.62 thasn a .223...


9 posted on 01/10/2005 11:27:21 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Little Pig
Well, this is the surrent M249 SAWS which also chambers the 5.56. I have no argument with the 7.62 in its many guises; special ops teams use the AR 10 and the M 14.


10 posted on 01/10/2005 11:28:48 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto

Link belt fed, now we're talking mean! Sure the 5.56 is a pea in a pod, but we have warehouses of them that need to be lit off in the direction of some ugly guys with head scarves on.


11 posted on 01/10/2005 11:31:29 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: Echo Talon
7.62 are the numbers.

Yes, it is a heavy one. But, just think of the urban stuff our guys are going through now. Nice short barrel for getting around tight spots and a spring bi-pod.

Have a special pack that has the belts loaded that can be removed with one arm off the back. Pop the top, feed, slam and you are now covering your buddy like a jimmy hat.

Was there every a weapon that was designed by a solder?
12 posted on 01/10/2005 11:36:15 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Politicians - serve to *live*. Armed Forces - live to *serve*.)
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To: RicocheT
The Shrike reminds me of the Stoner A63, seen here set up as a medium machine gun. It could be configured in several ways, including as a sling carried weapon using a 100 round box magazine:


13 posted on 01/10/2005 11:44:03 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Little Pig

The issue of these LMG's really comes down to the ability to put automatic, suppressive fire down at a range beyond the capability of the squad/platoon's rifles. The M60 - modeled after the WWII German MG42 - does a very good job of that, and, as you point out, isn't all that heavy (19 lbs). The 5.56mm round has ballistic issues at longer ranges, and therefore should not be used for a LMG.


14 posted on 01/10/2005 11:46:01 AM PST by gradient_salient
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To: WakeUpAndVote; Echo Talon; 45Auto
7.62 bump


15 posted on 01/10/2005 11:46:18 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: t_skoz

yeah 7.62 ... but those are wimpy 7.62 rounds .... give me 30-06 any day. (7.62 X 63 [M-1 Garand] versus 7.62 x 39 [AK-47])


16 posted on 01/10/2005 11:48:48 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: 45Auto
My father was in the Navy back in 50's he was a weapons guy and working on a new Rifle... My dad was so pissed off when they chose the M-16! He believed the Stoner should have gotten the contract. The Stoner was modular, could be clip fed or belt fed. And he said in test it was very reliable. He says that the Colt decision was one of the worst decisions the military has ever made.

Stoner.Machinegun

17 posted on 01/10/2005 11:51:52 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: WakeUpAndVote

that analogy really broke me up!! not too often you get a chance to drop a jimmy hat reference. hahaha


18 posted on 01/10/2005 12:07:39 PM PST by Sax (still new. no tagline.)
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To: 45Auto
This thread has just added to the FreeRepublic "bang list" (firearms interest list) by adding the keyword "banglist".

Any time a firearms-related thread is created on FreeRepublic, please be sure to add the "banglist" keyword to it so that interested FReepers don't miss it.

Let Freedom Ring,

Gun Facts v4.0!

Click the pic to go to the Gun Facts v4.0 download page!

19 posted on 01/10/2005 12:49:13 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...

Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.


20 posted on 01/10/2005 12:51:08 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Joe Brower
That's a 5.56? The linked rounds seem larger than a 5.56mm. Still: I WANT ONE!!!!!
21 posted on 01/10/2005 12:53:18 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Joe Brower

I want one :)


22 posted on 01/10/2005 12:55:57 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Joe Brower

Roger that!


23 posted on 01/10/2005 12:57:57 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Joe Brower

Oooooooh...me likey...Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 01/10/2005 1:07:52 PM PST by Andonius_99
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To: Joe Brower

As I recall there is a 7.62 variant of the M-16. Perhaps you could upscale the M-16 and lay down an upper like this on it. Personally, I would go with a .243 derrivative, but the world seems to like .308/7.62. With a .243 you get more range, heavier bullets and a bit of the benefits of the lighter weight rounds so you can carry more ammo. My 2 cents.


25 posted on 01/10/2005 1:12:08 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: gradient_salient
The M60 [...] does a very good job of that.

No it doesn't.

The 7.62 may well be a better round for an LMG than the 5.56. But the M60 is a piss-poor example of a 7.62 LMG.

26 posted on 01/10/2005 1:22:33 PM PST by jdege
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To: 45Auto

They'll sell plenty of these to private collectors who own full auto M-16s.


27 posted on 01/10/2005 1:23:57 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: 45Auto
"The FN M249 Minimi for example"

I shall call it Minimi.

28 posted on 01/10/2005 1:36:28 PM PST by looscnnn ("Your so wise, like a minature Buddha covered in hair" Ron Burgundy)
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To: Joe Brower

"Happiness is a belt fed weapon"

Will someone, anyone, make me happy bu buying me one? LOL


29 posted on 01/10/2005 1:36:56 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: 45Auto

It's going to be really nice to get the AWB off the books in Connecticut, even though I'll be long dead of old age before it happens, but I'd love for my great great great great granddaughter to get to own one of those!!


30 posted on 01/10/2005 1:38:10 PM PST by SASsySIGster (Christmas Gifts should sparkle or go BANG really loud.)
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To: RicocheT

>>Link belt fed, now we're talking mean! Sure the 5.56 is a pea in a pod, but we have warehouses of them that need to be lit off in the direction of some ugly guys with head scarves on.<<

Have you heard the warehouses are empty and now we're asking Taiwan to build ammo for us?


31 posted on 01/10/2005 1:54:39 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: RicocheT

US seeks to buy ammunition from Taiwan as stocks run low after Iraq: report ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315303/posts


32 posted on 01/10/2005 2:01:52 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Little Pig
The M-60 is a piece of crap that never should have been fielded in the first place.

L

33 posted on 01/10/2005 2:08:53 PM PST by Lurker ("I answer to you, 'F*** you-I shall die on my feet.!" Oriana Fallaci.)
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To: 45Auto

Gotta start saving!


34 posted on 01/10/2005 2:10:27 PM PST by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

I was reading an article recently that Uncle now wants the 6.8 as our national round. I guess these folks had better do some changes in that barrel.



The 6.8mm Remington SPC (now being adopted by the US military) ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315914/posts


35 posted on 01/10/2005 2:12:35 PM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks Joe


36 posted on 01/10/2005 2:43:45 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: RKV
This is the new Bushmaster .308 A2 with an AK brake. Other variants are available to the public. Armalite still makes the AR10 in several variants, Knight's still makes the Stoner Rifle in .308 and several other manufacturers also make both complete rifles and parts for the .308 "M 16".


37 posted on 01/10/2005 2:48:27 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: SASsySIGster
Knight's Armament Stoner Rifle Carbine SR 25 chambered in .308 Win (7.62 x 54)with short ten round magazine:


38 posted on 01/10/2005 2:51:34 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto

Thank you. Since I live in the PRK I can only look wistfully at what the citizens of America can own. I did manage to get a Bushmaster in before the ban. Sigh. Time to get serious about that property I saw this summer in Wyoming.


39 posted on 01/10/2005 3:18:25 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: 45Auto; All

I need a front sight adjustment tool for a M249 SAW. I called FN and there was no response. If anyone knows what may fit, I would greatly appreciate it.


40 posted on 01/10/2005 3:22:29 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: 45Auto
Trust me when I say alot of people have been waiting for these. All put down a deposit years ago. Plenty has been said about the wait, both good and bad.

Full-Auto Shrike Forum

41 posted on 01/10/2005 3:35:57 PM PST by Trinity5
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To: Lady Jag

Check this out!


42 posted on 01/10/2005 3:56:02 PM PST by GummyIII (Oops!! Tried to steal my own tagline!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote; 45Auto
5.56 is too light.

I agree. the .223 Remington/5.56mm round was a political decision made 40 years ago. The .223 round is lighter then a .38 Special. Our troops are not the petite Asians that the M-16 was mainly adopted for. When we get back to using .30 caliber, we will be doing our troops a long delayed favor. Until then, 5.56 at 60-85 grains is criminal.

43 posted on 01/10/2005 4:32:18 PM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: Shooter 2.5
That's a tough one. Maybe you could send an e-mail to these guys at RemTek; they might be able to help you. Scroll to the bottom and see e-mail address.

RemTek

44 posted on 01/10/2005 4:35:13 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Centurion2000
...give me 30-06 any day. (7.62 X 63 [M-1 Garand]

Exactly. Though many have tried, that venerable round is hard to beat in the field, hunting or battle.

45 posted on 01/10/2005 4:36:58 PM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: Shooter 2.5
You might call or e-mail the guys at Impact Guns:

Impact

46 posted on 01/10/2005 4:38:04 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: B4Ranch
I was reading an article recently that Uncle now wants the 6.8 as our national round.

That is not correct. The round is designated 6.8 Rem SPC (Special Purpose Cartridge) and is purely a USSOCOM project.

47 posted on 01/10/2005 4:40:21 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: jdege

Mean Rounds Before Failure of the 60 is about 2000?


48 posted on 01/10/2005 4:44:12 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: 45Auto

Thanks. I emailed Impact and I'll let you know how it turns out. My son's SAW is printing really low and he's concerned.


49 posted on 01/10/2005 4:45:10 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Does the FAL sight tool work with the SAW? You might also try TAPCO; they seem to have a lot of odd tools as well.

Tapco

50 posted on 01/10/2005 4:47:05 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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