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World On Brink Of Ruin
Forbes.com ^ | 1/7/05 | Dan Ackman

Posted on 01/12/2005 6:32:22 AM PST by tmp02

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My 'gloom and doom' for the day...
1 posted on 01/12/2005 6:32:22 AM PST by tmp02
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"cheerleader for policies such as tax cuts"

Rah Rah Rah!

2 posted on 01/12/2005 6:37:19 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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Both the government and consumers spend too much. Roach is just pointing that out. A reckoning is coming, as it always has in the past. Greenspan has employed extraordinary measures to stave it off - we should have had a full correction in 2000-2002. How much longer can he do it?


3 posted on 01/12/2005 6:41:02 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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Well, that's it. I'm charging up all my credit cards!


4 posted on 01/12/2005 6:41:56 AM PST by RushCrush (We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it.-Marge Simpson)
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To: tmp02
He does not claim the chairman is a partisan Republican, but he does fault him for being a "cheerleader for policies such as tax cuts...that could make the endgame all the more treacherous."

Ah, so we should be taxing ourselves into a better prosperity. Gotcha.

Meanwhile, every dollar given back to the taxpayer/consumer is a dollar not charged on an Asian-backed credit card. Go figure.

5 posted on 01/12/2005 6:42:46 AM PST by Physicist
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It's not Greenspan's fault that Americans refuse to live within their means, or that the government spends so much. To quote Shakespeare: "The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves".
6 posted on 01/12/2005 6:45:53 AM PST by Batrachian
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Meanwhile, every dollar given back to the taxpayer/consumer is a dollar not charged on an Asian-backed credit card.

If cutting taxes means higher deficits, as it has over the last 3+ years, then every dollar in tax cuts does indeed translate to another dollar put on the asian-backed credit cards. I believe that interest on the debt is now the 2nd largest federal outlay. Take a look at the taxes you paid the federal government last year, 30% or so of it went to pay interest on the debt, and the largest holders of U.S. debt are China and Japan.

7 posted on 01/12/2005 6:50:29 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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Would someone please explain to me - within the framework of the US Constitution - why it is that we even have a "Federal Reserve" that is in fact operated by a group of international bankers who have absolutely NO accountability to the US taxpayers, yet essentially run all of our economic futures?


8 posted on 01/12/2005 6:53:25 AM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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Cutting taxes does not mean higher deficits. Spending more makes higher deficits. Perhaps if we eliminate a couple of departments and RIF a couple hundred thousand Federal freeloaders we could cut down the deficit and provide a ready source of labor to displace the immigrants now flooding the nation.


9 posted on 01/12/2005 6:58:06 AM PST by steve8714
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We're all gonna die!!!!

10 posted on 01/12/2005 7:00:22 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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I'm sorry, but your suggestions make way too much sense, and must therefore be censored before too many decision making individuals read them. Please report yourself to the moderators for the adequate unjust punishment. /pseudo sarcasm


11 posted on 01/12/2005 7:07:10 AM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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To: steve8714
Cutting taxes does not mean higher deficits. Spending more makes higher deficits.

Spending more WHILE cutting revenue = higher deficits. They are both part of the equation

Perhaps if we eliminate a couple of departments and RIF a couple hundred thousand Federal freeloaders we could cut down the deficit and provide a ready source of labor to displace the immigrants now flooding the nation.

Don't hold your breath. Remember, we need to fully fund no child left behind and medicare expansion!

12 posted on 01/12/2005 7:10:04 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: datura
"Would someone please explain to me .... " .... etc.

'Cuz they can.

Our job, as Conservatives, is to bring America back into line of the founmder's intentions.

Limited government,
No taxation without representation (I was never asked, via referendum, to OK the 'emissions control' test ... 20 - 50 bucks a pop, depending)
No National bank (especially an INTERNATIONAL one)
More contemporarily ... get rid of the UN

and a whole bunch of et cetera's.

13 posted on 01/12/2005 7:11:47 AM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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...cutting taxes means higher deficits, as it has over the last 3+ years...

What have you been smoking? Tax cuts always increase revenues! It frees up more disposeable income for citizens to spend and invest thereby stimulating the economy.

Read this

...and this

...and this

14 posted on 01/12/2005 7:12:27 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

Cutting taxes also does not necessarily translate into lower tax revenues, something that was demonstrated during the 1980's.


15 posted on 01/12/2005 7:12:41 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: tmp02

Maybe China has the answer?


16 posted on 01/12/2005 7:14:51 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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Cutting taxes also does not necessarily translate into lower tax revenues, something that was demonstrated during the 1980's

In absolute numbers no, if you cut taxes revenues will still rise due to other factors. However, revenues will not rise as much as they would have had taxes not been cut.

If you want to test your logic, would you argue that cutting federal taxes down to say, $1.00 per person per year would lead to an increase in federal tax revenues?

17 posted on 01/12/2005 7:18:54 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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BTTT


18 posted on 01/12/2005 7:19:05 AM PST by tmp02 (Don't come to the US. We too are dipping our bullets in pig's blood)
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There are a few things about this rambling of Stephen Roach that bug me:

This process effectively subsidizes U.S. interest rates, thus propping up U.S. asset markets and enticing American consumers into even more debt. Awash in newfound purchasing power, Americans then turn around and buy everything from Chinese-made DVD players to Japanese cars."

but he does fault him for being a "cheerleader for policies such as tax cuts...that could make the endgame all the more treacherous."

Why would you be against Tax Cuts if Americans are in debt?

In an interview this morning, Roach said, "That's a little extreme." He does admit the nation has prospered on Greenspan's watch. Still, he does not disavow the haymakers he directs at the chairman's chin.

I don't agree with everything Greenspan and the administration has done fiscally, but this guy sounds like a jackass and wants attention.

19 posted on 01/12/2005 7:21:11 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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>that's it. I'm charging up all my credit cards!

"Drink and dance and laugh and lie,
Love, the reeling midnight through,
For tomorrow we shall die!
(But, alas, we never do.)"

Dorothy Parker

20 posted on 01/12/2005 7:25:07 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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