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1 posted on 01/12/2005 6:32:22 AM PST by tmp02
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"cheerleader for policies such as tax cuts"

Rah Rah Rah!

2 posted on 01/12/2005 6:37:19 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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Both the government and consumers spend too much. Roach is just pointing that out. A reckoning is coming, as it always has in the past. Greenspan has employed extraordinary measures to stave it off - we should have had a full correction in 2000-2002. How much longer can he do it?


3 posted on 01/12/2005 6:41:02 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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Well, that's it. I'm charging up all my credit cards!


4 posted on 01/12/2005 6:41:56 AM PST by RushCrush (We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it.-Marge Simpson)
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He does not claim the chairman is a partisan Republican, but he does fault him for being a "cheerleader for policies such as tax cuts...that could make the endgame all the more treacherous."

Ah, so we should be taxing ourselves into a better prosperity. Gotcha.

Meanwhile, every dollar given back to the taxpayer/consumer is a dollar not charged on an Asian-backed credit card. Go figure.

5 posted on 01/12/2005 6:42:46 AM PST by Physicist
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It's not Greenspan's fault that Americans refuse to live within their means, or that the government spends so much. To quote Shakespeare: "The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves".
6 posted on 01/12/2005 6:45:53 AM PST by Batrachian
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Would someone please explain to me - within the framework of the US Constitution - why it is that we even have a "Federal Reserve" that is in fact operated by a group of international bankers who have absolutely NO accountability to the US taxpayers, yet essentially run all of our economic futures?


8 posted on 01/12/2005 6:53:25 AM PST by datura (Destroy The UN, the MSM, and China. The rest will fall into line once we get rid of these.)
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We're all gonna die!!!!

10 posted on 01/12/2005 7:00:22 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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Maybe China has the answer?


16 posted on 01/12/2005 7:14:51 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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There are a few things about this rambling of Stephen Roach that bug me:

This process effectively subsidizes U.S. interest rates, thus propping up U.S. asset markets and enticing American consumers into even more debt. Awash in newfound purchasing power, Americans then turn around and buy everything from Chinese-made DVD players to Japanese cars."

but he does fault him for being a "cheerleader for policies such as tax cuts...that could make the endgame all the more treacherous."

Why would you be against Tax Cuts if Americans are in debt?

In an interview this morning, Roach said, "That's a little extreme." He does admit the nation has prospered on Greenspan's watch. Still, he does not disavow the haymakers he directs at the chairman's chin.

I don't agree with everything Greenspan and the administration has done fiscally, but this guy sounds like a jackass and wants attention.

19 posted on 01/12/2005 7:21:11 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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If you ask 2 economists about the economy, you'll get 6 opinions.


24 posted on 01/12/2005 7:37:34 AM PST by wbill
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To: tmp02; Everybody

tmp02 wrote:
My 'gloom and doom' for the day.






Here's a little ray of sunshine..
Think of fiat 'money' as a great game. A vast bunch of IOU's, only as good as the intentions of the people behind the promises.
When the people of the world come to the USA to collect on those promises, do we give them what they want?

They can only hope.



32 posted on 01/12/2005 7:57:38 AM PST by jonestown ( Tolerance for intolerance is not tolerance at all. Jonestown)
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Aren't we always on the brink of ruin? Might do the world some good to have to start all over again.


35 posted on 01/12/2005 8:00:48 AM PST by AmericanChef
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So it's the fault of Greenspan and the Open Market Committee that people have large mortgages and carry so much credit card debt?

Greenspan's monetary policy deserves some accolades for the 1990s boom, but former President Bill Clinton's fiscal policy and other factors were equally responsible, Roach says.

Oh, well then. That explains it.

47 posted on 01/12/2005 8:10:43 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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Sounds like Stephen Roach, the chief economist for Morgan Stanley & Co. is upset that Americans are investing more into the stock market. We'd rather own houses and real estate. Personally, if I want to gamble my money, I'll go to a casino and put it on black or red. If I want a better investment, I'll buy some real estate. If I want a guarantee, I'll go to Church.


51 posted on 01/12/2005 8:19:11 AM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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While there are some interesting points in this piece, it lost me with:

Greenspan's monetary policy deserves some accolades for the 1990s boom, but former President Bill Clinton's fiscal policy and other factors were equally responsible, Roach says.

Clinton fiscal policy?? Right!

How about a technical revolution that was as pivotal to furthering the world's economy(ies) as the industrial revolution was in the early 1900s! This had NOTHING to do with Clinton other than pure timing.

As a result, the credibility of the rest of the piece suffers, especially given that Roach's own self-serving interests are not particularly aligned with those things that he is most critical of Greenspan on. I'm also no particular Greenspan fan either.

57 posted on 01/12/2005 9:10:08 AM PST by Fruitbat
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