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Why “Frogs”?
NRO ^ | January 12, 2005 | John J. Miller

Posted on 01/12/2005 7:47:00 AM PST by kahoutek

Why “Frogs”? Our pet name for the French.

Is it really so bad to refer to an entire nation of people as frogs?

Last summer, when I was giving a speech on Franco-American relations — shortly before the publication of Our Oldest Enemy: A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France — I made a frog joke. It involved a stuffed pig, a barbeque, and, well, you sort of had to be there. But it was definitely a quip about the French. The audience snickered, though a few people exchanged nervous glances. They clearly wondered if it was appropriate to laugh when somebody referred to the French as frogs.

Lighten up, I thought. Think about it: If we aimed to insult, truly and deeply and venomously, then we could skip right over cute green amphibians and compare the French to the frogs' warty cousins, the toads. Or, in honor of Pepe LePew (as well as international perceptions about French bathing habits), we could call them skunks. Or we might allude to something else entirely and call them chickens. Or maybe even cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

Given this range of name-calling options, what's so bad about frogs as a national nickname? The good people at Texas Christian University don't consider frogs a derisive word. Their sports teams are called the Horned Frogs. Go Frogs!

As it happens, frogs have thin skins — and so do the French. Some in France have taken to labeling American criticisms of their government's policies as racist, even when they're offered in non-amphibian terms. "When you insult the French people, simply because they are French, then it's kind of a racist campaign," said Ambassador Jean-David Levitte. He was referring to the relatively tame late-night jokes of Jay Leno and David Letterman. My co-author Mark Molesky and I don't actually describe the French as frogs anywhere on the pages of Our Oldest Enemy. Yet in his New York Times review of our book, French philosopher Bernard Henri-Levy saw fit to call us racists anyway. This absurd charge is of course a scurrilous tactic whose goal is to end a debate about Franco-American relations that's worth having even if doesn't serve the interests of Jacques Chirac and his neo-Gaullist henchmen.

No matter what we conclude about the propriety of calling the French frogs, there's still the academic question: How did the French earn this moniker? Nobody knows for sure, though there are several theories. Here are five leading ones:

1. The French fondness for eating frogs. File this one under "you are what you eat." The only problem is that although frogs are sometimes eaten in France, the French are hardly unique in this respect. The frog, says the Oxford Companion to Food, "is perceived by the English as a staple of the French diet, [and] is indeed eaten in France but also in many other parts of the world, whether previously under French influence...or not." The book goes on to describe frogs as having "a delicate flavor...customarily said to resemble chicken meat." (I agree. The real problem is that there isn't much meat on the leg-bones.) For what it's worth, France outlawed commercial frog farming in 1977.

2. Frogs were a symbol of French royalty. This one apparently has its roots among early Frankish kings, such as Clovis I. But that seems too archaic for a slang word that's alive and well today. Clovis I lived about 15 centuries ago.

3. The fleur-de-lys is a stylized frog. This would be an interesting idea if one of France's best-known symbols weren't actually based on an iris flower with three petals. One legend traces its origins to our friend Clovis I. Its roots definitely go back at least as far as Louis VI, who used the fleur-de-lys as a seal and on his coins some 900 years ago. Punsters sometimes talk of the fleur-de-Louis. Maybe someone should invent a frog-de-lys.

4. A non-Parisian putdown for Paris. Marshes apparently once ringed the French metropolis, and so the sneering aristocrats of Versailles applied the word to city slickers.

5. A Paris putdown for non-Parisians. Sophisticated urbanites sneered at the rural taste for amphibians (see #1, above), and attached the term to everybody but themselves, which is to say the bulk of the national population.


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1 posted on 01/12/2005 7:47:01 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: kahoutek

Frog legs. Who made 'em famous?


2 posted on 01/12/2005 7:47:35 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: kahoutek

I'll keep calling them frogs. I hope frogs are not offended by it!


3 posted on 01/12/2005 7:48:52 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Could someone tell me how to set up a tagline? Any help is appreciated. Thanks)
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To: kahoutek

in the earliest days, paris was a swamp, infested with frogs. early french totems and flags had the frog as a symbol.


4 posted on 01/12/2005 7:49:37 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: kahoutek

Because it's not polite to use another "f" word when refering to them?


5 posted on 01/12/2005 7:49:42 AM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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To: kahoutek

Frogs bathe...


6 posted on 01/12/2005 7:50:20 AM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: kahoutek
"When you insult the French people, simply because they are French, then it's kind of a racist campaign," said Ambassador Jean-David Levitte.

It appears Jean-David is a bit confused about what constitutes a "race" of people.

7 posted on 01/12/2005 7:50:29 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: kahoutek
Perhaps it's their moral similarities?
8 posted on 01/12/2005 7:51:02 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Anon.)
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To: null and void

...and are probably capable of fielding a more effective military force.


9 posted on 01/12/2005 7:51:38 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"A Paris putdown for non-Parisians. Sophisticated urbanites sneered at the rural taste for amphibians (see #1, above), and attached the term to everybody but themselves, which is to say the bulk of the national population.

How French.

Kay Sarah.

Poly Voo Frankie's?

10 posted on 01/12/2005 7:52:23 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: kahoutek
Or maybe even cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

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Or maybe even panty-waisted cheese-eathing surrender monkeys.


11 posted on 01/12/2005 7:53:48 AM PST by trisham
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To: kahoutek
1. One reason maybe because they call their infants grenouille or frongs. A French woman once tried to explain to me that newborns with splayed legs looked like frogs. Didn't make much sense to me but oh well.

2. Saying 'Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys' oftne takes too long.

12 posted on 01/12/2005 7:54:20 AM PST by pikachu (Yeah, I wrote 'Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys': no insult to monkeys or cheese intended, only frogs)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Looks like more pictures of Abu Grabbed Me.


13 posted on 01/12/2005 7:54:29 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: pikachu
On #2:

It's English for 'Francias'

14 posted on 01/12/2005 7:56:33 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: kahoutek

Because they are slimmy worthless toads?


15 posted on 01/12/2005 7:57:54 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: kahoutek

When I first posted that link, I was told it was from Abu Ghribbit. ;-)


16 posted on 01/12/2005 7:58:13 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Anon.)
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17 posted on 01/12/2005 7:58:41 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Frog legs. Who made 'em famous?

Well...

18 posted on 01/12/2005 7:58:56 AM PST by TheBigB (Life is good. It'd be better if Jaime Pressly was here naked with a pizza. But it's still damn good)
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Or we might allude to something else entirely and call them chickens.
Almost inevitably, that most Gascon of all animals, the rooster, was chosen long ago as the national symbol of France. (The choice is fortuitous, of course, because of a Latin pun, Gallus, meaning both the courtyard animal and the inhabitant of Gaul. The English pun could probably be considered even more apt). The brilliantly plumed cock is the first to announce the dawn of a new day to everybody, dominates his immediate world, seduces and fecundates all the unresisting hens, destroys his rivals, and crows triumphantly from the top of the dungheap.

-- Luigi Barzini, The Europeans.


19 posted on 01/12/2005 8:00:09 AM PST by dighton
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20 posted on 01/12/2005 8:00:31 AM PST by billybudd
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