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Sources Say Crew's Heroics Saved Sub
The New London Day ^ | 1/12/2005 | Robert A Hamilton

Posted on 01/12/2005 10:26:35 AM PST by Bottom_Gun

It is increasingly clear that the submarine that hit a seamount in the Pacific Ocean last week came close to being lost and that only the valiant efforts of its crew kept it afloat, Navy sources said Tuesday. With uncontrolled flooding in its forward ballast tanks, the USS San Francisco had to run a low-pressure air pump for 30 hours straight to maintain buoyancy on its trip home, Navy sources said. The pump is rated for only intermittent use.

In addition, the submarine ran its diesel engines, channeling the exhaust into the forward ballast tanks in an effort to force out more of the water and make the ship lighter. “Based on the information I've seen so far, they're very lucky this ship didn't sink,” said retired Navy Capt. John C. Markowicz. “Only through the heroic efforts of the crew did that ship survive.”

The San Francisco, homeported at Guam, was traveling more than 500 feet below the surface at more than 30 knots — about 35 mph — when it slammed into the seamount about 360 miles southeast of Guam.

The New York Times, in its editions today, reports that the submarine hit so “incredibly hard” that about 60 of its 137 crew were injured and that the one sailor who died was thrown 20 feet by the impact, according to internal Navy e-mail messages sent by Rear Adm. Paul F. Sullivan, the commander of submarines in the Pacific.

The messages sent by Sullivan paint a more dire picture of the accident than had previously been disclosed, The Times reported.

The messages sent by Sullivan paint a more dire picture of the accident than had previously been disclosed, The Times reported.

The accident came just minutes after the crew had finished a “field day,” a cleaning process that involves breaking down a lot of equipment. If the accident had happened an hour earlier, the situation could have been much more serious because the loose equipment hatches and other parts could have become missiles, one source said.

Submariners also noted that if the boat involved had been a newer version of the Los Angeles class, the results could have been catastrophic.

The San Francisco, SSN 711, was commissioned in 1981. Starting with the Groton-based USS Providence, SSN 719, Los Angeles-class submarines have 12 missiles in vertical launch tubes in a compartment just behind the sonar dome. Several submariners acknowledged that such an incident involving a newer boat could have led to a fire in the missile fuel systems, which could have led to a low-order detonation of up to 12,000 pounds of high explosives.

“It could have been a real Kursk-type situation,” one Navy source said, referring to the Russian submarine that sank in August 2000 after a fire broke out in its torpedo compartment.

Submariners around the country were poring over charts of the area where the San Francisco hit the seamount and were coming to the same conclusion: The ocean bottom was supposed to be more than a mile below where the San Francisco hit.

In fact, sources said the San Francisco had just submerged from periscope depth and had taken a bottom reading with its Fathometer four minutes before it hit the seamount and that the reading indicated the bottom was 6,000 feet below the keel.

The damage to the submarine, which includes a cracked sonar sphere and severe damage to three of the four ballast tanks near the bow, and some buckling of the forward pressure hull, all argue that the submarine hit something akin to an underwater cliff.

“Going from 6,000 feet to almost nothing in four minutes is a very steep seamount, no question about it,” Markowicz said.



The local chapter of U.S. Submarine Veterans has started a fund-raising campaign for the crew of the San Francisco. John Carcioppolo, the local base commander, said the group just finished raising $3,800 for the family of the Canadian submariner killed in a shipboard fire last October, and one of the first pledges has come from the group's counterpart in Canada.

“Before I even announced I was doing fund-raising, I already got a commitment from Buster Brown up in Canada,” Carcioppolo said. Brown is the head of the Submarine Association of Canada, Eastern Branch, and a former high-ranking enlisted member of the Canadian Navy.

Carcioppolo said he would send any money raised to the captain of the San Francisco, Cmdr. Kevin Mooney, “to be disbursed as he sees fit.” Carcioppolo is a mentor of one of the young enlisted men on the San Francisco, and is acquainted with Mooney as well.

“There's been a very strong outpouring of good wishes for Kevin and for everyone on board,” Carcioppolo said.

San Francisco was on its way to Brisbane, Australia, just before noon Saturday when it ran into the seamount, crushing the front end of the submarine.

At that depth, the water pressure was almost 250 PSI, or about 16 times atmospheric pressure, so the chief concern was to get to the surface as quickly as possible. The crew executed an “emergency blow,” forcing high-pressure air into the ballast tanks to make the submarine rise sharply.

Once on the surface, though, the crew realized the ship was experiencing severe flooding into two of the three forward ballast tanks, and had to come up with some type of quick fix.

The low-pressure air system normally used for short periods of time was pressed into continuous service, and the ship started its diesel generators and used the exhaust to augment the blower to keep as much water as possible out of the ballast tanks.

With those emergency procedures in place, the ship limped home to Apra, Guam, where the Navy has rushed flotation devices, underwater engineering gear and technical experts to begin analyzing the damage.

Machinist Mate 2nd Class Joseph A. Ashley, 24, of Akron, Ohio, died from a head wound he sustained when he was thrown against a pump in the machinery spaces. Another machinist mate on duty in the engine room also received a serious head injury and was listed in stable condition Tuesday.

The Navy said 22 other men were injured badly enough to be taken off the submarine, so crew members from the USS City of Corpus Christi and the USS Houston, which are also homeported in Guam, as well as the tender USS Frank Cable, met the ship on its return and took over many of the injured crewmen's functions.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: heroes; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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To: Bottom_Gun
Anyone have a comment on uncharted sea mount, in reasonably well traversed waters, that went from zero to 6000 feet in two miles?
21 posted on 01/12/2005 10:53:40 AM PST by norton
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To: Calpernia

nyt's is not a reliable source, it is a lying communist rag.


22 posted on 01/12/2005 10:56:08 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: Calpernia

I thank God for all of these heroes and lift their loved ones up for God's peace and blessing.


23 posted on 01/12/2005 10:56:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Bottom_Gun

As sad as I am about the whole situation, I'm so very proud of these guys. They did their jobs under extreme conditions and saved that sub.

RIP MM2 Ashley. And my heartfelt condolences to his family. I've imagined myself in their shoes many times over the past few days and they have my sympathy.


24 posted on 01/12/2005 10:57:26 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Schni schna schnappy, schnappy schnappy schnapp!)
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To: norton

The Charts for that area aren't the best in the world. And with the volcanic activity in that area it wouldn't be surprising if the mount just "popped up" since the last charting of that area.


25 posted on 01/12/2005 10:57:49 AM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy)
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To: Bogey78O
This boat has seen it's last deployment.

Based upon the reported damage and the fact that it is over 20 years old, it will most likely be decommissioned.

No Captain or crew would likely look forward to taking this boat to test depth again. Given the tremendous forces the hull and systems have just gone through, some have most likely been stressed beyond their engineering design limits.

The U.S.S. San Francisco will probably have her superstructure and MBT's repaired then returned to the U.S., on the surface, to be dissected.

Hat's off the the crew. Your constant training paid off!
26 posted on 01/12/2005 10:58:58 AM PST by Jambe
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Calpernia; All

God bless 'em, every one. I so appreciate our heroes - they are what make this country great!


27 posted on 01/12/2005 10:59:37 AM PST by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


28 posted on 01/12/2005 11:00:01 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: norton
"that went from zero to 6000 feet in two miles?"

I'm not familiar with sea mounts. However, I can attest to the fact that the "drop-offs" when leaving some ports used to take my breath away.....( Fathometer watch getting underway, ).....so I don't see a reason that sea mounts would NOT exist. If the bottom can drop out as fast as I have seen it drop out then it can rise up likewise.

29 posted on 01/12/2005 11:00:36 AM PST by El Gran Salseron ( The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own risk. :-))
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To: Jambe
"The U.S.S. San Francisco will probably have her superstructure and MBT's repaired"

I have been wondering about that.

Is there a dry dock in Guam or at least a floating dry dock?

30 posted on 01/12/2005 11:03:21 AM PST by El Gran Salseron ( The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own risk. :-))
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To: El Gran Salseron

Yeah there is a floating dry dock station in Guam.


31 posted on 01/12/2005 11:06:01 AM PST by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump to the top!!


32 posted on 01/12/2005 11:07:09 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Good guys ~ Bump!

Go Navy!


33 posted on 01/12/2005 11:08:24 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Bottom_Gun
Awesome read. Glad they made it out and may the one who died rest in peace.

The VLS thing brings oe more thing to light. I hope we never have to find out what happens if the fight 2s or Ohio class collides with an undersea mountain.

34 posted on 01/12/2005 11:08:37 AM PST by Paul_Denton
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To: grobdriver; Trueblackman; Bottom_Gun
Thanks
Was expecting something more Navy specific in this case. Thought BTDT might be an acronym for some emergency manuever in a sub...
35 posted on 01/12/2005 11:09:43 AM PST by ChromeDome (Every person's death diminishes me. Some more than others.)
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To: Bottom_Gun

So we are now calling Chinese submarines "seamounts" for public consumption? ;)


36 posted on 01/12/2005 11:10:40 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: ChromeDome

I thought he was saying "Bump To Da Top" :-)


37 posted on 01/12/2005 11:11:07 AM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: berkeleybeej
So the Skipper's career may not be over.

If the seamount isn't on the charts and the submarine was following proper procedure (which it was) the sub commander will come out of this without a blemish on his record. In fact their by the book recovery effort in saving the boat might even get him a promotion.

38 posted on 01/12/2005 11:13:04 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Bottom_Gun

Prayers for all our submariners.


39 posted on 01/12/2005 11:22:19 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Bottom_Gun
The ocean bottom was supposed to be more than a mile below where the San Francisco hit.

In fact, sources said the San Francisco had just submerged from periscope depth and had taken a bottom reading with its Fathometer four minutes before it hit the seamount and that the reading indicated the bottom was 6,000 feet below the keel.

Captain's in the clear. Probably won't make admiral or commodore but he's cleared.

40 posted on 01/12/2005 11:22:20 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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