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Sources Say Crew's Heroics Saved Sub
The New London Day ^ | 1/12/2005 | Robert A Hamilton

Posted on 01/12/2005 10:26:35 AM PST by Bottom_Gun

It is increasingly clear that the submarine that hit a seamount in the Pacific Ocean last week came close to being lost and that only the valiant efforts of its crew kept it afloat, Navy sources said Tuesday. With uncontrolled flooding in its forward ballast tanks, the USS San Francisco had to run a low-pressure air pump for 30 hours straight to maintain buoyancy on its trip home, Navy sources said. The pump is rated for only intermittent use.

In addition, the submarine ran its diesel engines, channeling the exhaust into the forward ballast tanks in an effort to force out more of the water and make the ship lighter. “Based on the information I've seen so far, they're very lucky this ship didn't sink,” said retired Navy Capt. John C. Markowicz. “Only through the heroic efforts of the crew did that ship survive.”

The San Francisco, homeported at Guam, was traveling more than 500 feet below the surface at more than 30 knots — about 35 mph — when it slammed into the seamount about 360 miles southeast of Guam.

The New York Times, in its editions today, reports that the submarine hit so “incredibly hard” that about 60 of its 137 crew were injured and that the one sailor who died was thrown 20 feet by the impact, according to internal Navy e-mail messages sent by Rear Adm. Paul F. Sullivan, the commander of submarines in the Pacific.

The messages sent by Sullivan paint a more dire picture of the accident than had previously been disclosed, The Times reported.

The messages sent by Sullivan paint a more dire picture of the accident than had previously been disclosed, The Times reported.

The accident came just minutes after the crew had finished a “field day,” a cleaning process that involves breaking down a lot of equipment. If the accident had happened an hour earlier, the situation could have been much more serious because the loose equipment hatches and other parts could have become missiles, one source said.

Submariners also noted that if the boat involved had been a newer version of the Los Angeles class, the results could have been catastrophic.

The San Francisco, SSN 711, was commissioned in 1981. Starting with the Groton-based USS Providence, SSN 719, Los Angeles-class submarines have 12 missiles in vertical launch tubes in a compartment just behind the sonar dome. Several submariners acknowledged that such an incident involving a newer boat could have led to a fire in the missile fuel systems, which could have led to a low-order detonation of up to 12,000 pounds of high explosives.

“It could have been a real Kursk-type situation,” one Navy source said, referring to the Russian submarine that sank in August 2000 after a fire broke out in its torpedo compartment.

Submariners around the country were poring over charts of the area where the San Francisco hit the seamount and were coming to the same conclusion: The ocean bottom was supposed to be more than a mile below where the San Francisco hit.

In fact, sources said the San Francisco had just submerged from periscope depth and had taken a bottom reading with its Fathometer four minutes before it hit the seamount and that the reading indicated the bottom was 6,000 feet below the keel.

The damage to the submarine, which includes a cracked sonar sphere and severe damage to three of the four ballast tanks near the bow, and some buckling of the forward pressure hull, all argue that the submarine hit something akin to an underwater cliff.

“Going from 6,000 feet to almost nothing in four minutes is a very steep seamount, no question about it,” Markowicz said.



The local chapter of U.S. Submarine Veterans has started a fund-raising campaign for the crew of the San Francisco. John Carcioppolo, the local base commander, said the group just finished raising $3,800 for the family of the Canadian submariner killed in a shipboard fire last October, and one of the first pledges has come from the group's counterpart in Canada.

“Before I even announced I was doing fund-raising, I already got a commitment from Buster Brown up in Canada,” Carcioppolo said. Brown is the head of the Submarine Association of Canada, Eastern Branch, and a former high-ranking enlisted member of the Canadian Navy.

Carcioppolo said he would send any money raised to the captain of the San Francisco, Cmdr. Kevin Mooney, “to be disbursed as he sees fit.” Carcioppolo is a mentor of one of the young enlisted men on the San Francisco, and is acquainted with Mooney as well.

“There's been a very strong outpouring of good wishes for Kevin and for everyone on board,” Carcioppolo said.

San Francisco was on its way to Brisbane, Australia, just before noon Saturday when it ran into the seamount, crushing the front end of the submarine.

At that depth, the water pressure was almost 250 PSI, or about 16 times atmospheric pressure, so the chief concern was to get to the surface as quickly as possible. The crew executed an “emergency blow,” forcing high-pressure air into the ballast tanks to make the submarine rise sharply.

Once on the surface, though, the crew realized the ship was experiencing severe flooding into two of the three forward ballast tanks, and had to come up with some type of quick fix.

The low-pressure air system normally used for short periods of time was pressed into continuous service, and the ship started its diesel generators and used the exhaust to augment the blower to keep as much water as possible out of the ballast tanks.

With those emergency procedures in place, the ship limped home to Apra, Guam, where the Navy has rushed flotation devices, underwater engineering gear and technical experts to begin analyzing the damage.

Machinist Mate 2nd Class Joseph A. Ashley, 24, of Akron, Ohio, died from a head wound he sustained when he was thrown against a pump in the machinery spaces. Another machinist mate on duty in the engine room also received a serious head injury and was listed in stable condition Tuesday.

The Navy said 22 other men were injured badly enough to be taken off the submarine, so crew members from the USS City of Corpus Christi and the USS Houston, which are also homeported in Guam, as well as the tender USS Frank Cable, met the ship on its return and took over many of the injured crewmen's functions.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: heroes; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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To: null and void
Not as much as you hate trying to get home without it, under the wrong circumstances...

Rest assured, the Navy would not allow a nuclear sub to limp home on the SPM.

61 posted on 01/12/2005 1:18:50 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Still, making any headway while waiting for the tug to show up is better than wallowing adrift, isn't it?


62 posted on 01/12/2005 1:21:40 PM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: null and void
Still, making any headway while waiting for the tug to show up is better than wallowing adrift, isn't it?

Why do you think subs have sails?

63 posted on 01/12/2005 1:23:58 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Bottom_Gun
when i heard a "sub had run aground" i was all for crucifying the captain for his incompetence.

the more one finds out about what really happened, the captain deserves respect, perhaps even a medal. it looks like the captain didn't do anything wrong, was just unlucky.

i hope the navy doesn't kick him out - it sounds like he is quite capable. only a well run ship can survive something of this magnitude...

64 posted on 01/12/2005 1:25:38 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: WildTurkey

*snrk*


65 posted on 01/12/2005 2:00:50 PM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: BluH2o
If the seamount isn't on the charts and the submarine was following proper procedure (which it was) the sub commander will come out of this without a blemish on his record. In fact their by the book recovery effort in saving the boat might even get him a promotion.

It sounds like an Apollo 13-type situation.

66 posted on 01/12/2005 2:03:49 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


67 posted on 01/12/2005 2:08:11 PM PST by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Calpernia

Bump!


68 posted on 01/12/2005 2:18:41 PM PST by JLO
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To: null and void
snrk

The snrkl is used to draw fresh air into the sub when the diesel gen is running. It is located in the sail along with the periscopes and assorted electronic surveillance gear.

69 posted on 01/12/2005 2:46:25 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

I surrender!


70 posted on 01/12/2005 2:48:56 PM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: Bottom_Gun
"If not that maybe Navy Accomindation Medal (NAM) for the entire crew..."

LOL, makes you wonder just what you have to do to accomadate the Navy!

(Sorry, just couldn't pass that one up!)

--Boot Hill

71 posted on 01/12/2005 2:55:33 PM PST by Boot Hill (The only front that threatens a successful GWOT is America's own fifth-columnists.)
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To: norton
"Anyone have a comment on uncharted sea mount, in reasonably well traversed waters, that went from zero to 6000 feet in two miles?"

Yes, 150 million square miles of concealed ocean bottom can hide quite a few surprises!

--Boot Hill

72 posted on 01/12/2005 3:01:29 PM PST by Boot Hill (The only front that threatens a successful GWOT is America's own fifth-columnists.)
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To: Bottom_Gun
Thanks for posting that.

Always bad to lose a man, but damn, we're good.

I vacillate in my outlook on the state of things, but when I see a story extolling what that crew did to save that boat, well, my optimism spikes!

73 posted on 01/12/2005 3:07:21 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: El Gran Salseron

Yeah, like the drop off when leaving Apra harbor. From 100 feet to 7 miles in 10 minutes...


74 posted on 01/12/2005 3:10:50 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Robe
Just to answer that question ALREADY answered on at least 4 other posts...

Easy there...

I have not had time to read the threads, but do now. This is Free Republic as she is. We have duplicate posts and redundant questions. I don't think it can be fixed as long as we allow humans to post.

I am glad for this thread and the questions asked and answered right now.

75 posted on 01/12/2005 3:11:39 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: Calpernia; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


76 posted on 01/12/2005 3:24:39 PM PST by windchime (Won't it be great watching President Bush spend political capital?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks for the ping Tonk.

In my book, anyone who serves on a sub is a hero. The danger is constantly there, and nothing will ever take it away.

77 posted on 01/12/2005 3:25:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes. Our submariners work best under pressure...
78 posted on 01/12/2005 3:30:48 PM PST by null and void (I refuse to live my life as if someone, somewhere will be offended if I laugh...)
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To: Bottom_Gun

By the grace of god they made it back...I can recall flooding in the mid Atlantic when a gland around periscope # 2 blew...it was a race to stop the seawater from heading towards the battery..and then there's the time we hit the USS Philadelphia pier side in NL, but that's a story for another day.....


79 posted on 01/12/2005 3:36:05 PM PST by Sub-Driver (Unelect All NJ Politicians....)
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To: Bottom_Gun

Good article, but I disagree with the statement that the Tomahawks in the VLS tubes posed an exposion hazard. Tomahawks use a solid rocket booster and JP-7 jet fuel, not a self-oxidizing Otto fuel equivalent like torpedos do.


80 posted on 01/12/2005 3:38:54 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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