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To: MtnClimber

I'm a liberal in most senses of the word, but I still cannot understand how pro-gun control became the typical "liberal" position. It certainly isn't my position. It's diametrically opposed to most liberal positions. All I can figure is that liberals tend to be city-folk and city-folk are around lots of people all the time, where carrying your own weapon can't really protect you, so they figure just don't let anyone have the weapons. It's a dumb argument, anyways, because you can't keep the weapons out, really. It still drops my jaw a little whenever a fellow liberal expresses a pro gun control position. Seat belt and helmet laws are the same thing. How do these liberals end up on this side? I don't get it.


8 posted on 01/12/2005 11:29:47 AM PST by munchtipq
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To: munchtipq

Because liberals are lemmings.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 11:37:16 AM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: munchtipq
I don't really think it is a gun control issue per se, as much as it is a government control issue. Liberal politicians in my part of the world (Columbia, Missouri) favour government control of anything and everything. The motivation behind this historically is government control:

Common sense dictates that gun control laws will only affect law-abiding citizens whose interest is defending oneself from harm, because criminals by definition do not obey the law, and no matter what will obtain a firearm by any means necessary. Case in point, one of the Columbine shooters used a TEC-9, a gun, at the time was completely banned nationwide.

I think gun control just evolved to the liberal position. However, I don't think gun-control is the liberal issue inasmuch as it is government control over the people.

--erik

22 posted on 01/12/2005 12:14:36 PM PST by erikm88 (This tagline is false.)
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To: munchtipq
"...All I can figure is that liberals tend to be city-folk and city-folk are around lots of people all the time, where carrying your own weapon can't really protect you, so they figure just don't let anyone have the weapons..."

How do you figure that carrying a gun "around lots of people" won't protect you? That's, excuse the term, liberal nonsense.

If some scumbag in a crowd has a gun and wants to use it specifically on you, he's got to get close enough to YOU to use it. If HE can use HIS gun in a crowd, so can YOU. Now shooting in a crowd (versus shooting into a crowd) requires some forethought, training, and discipline, but you can minimize the chances of injury to unintended targets.

Liberals mostly want gun control because they project their own fears and hostility about guns and others upon the rest of us who aren't mentally handicapped by the disease of Liberalism.

25 posted on 01/12/2005 12:19:41 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: munchtipq
Read what you just wrote. Then ask yourself why you are a "liberal"?

Personal responsability, and accountability for one's own actions are the antithesis of a liberal's mindset. (shaking head, blinking, and rolling eyes).

46 posted on 01/12/2005 5:19:59 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: munchtipq

Liberals are whores for votes. They will do anything to get elected, including backing things they might not believe themselves.

They try to use gun control like the abortion issue to swing voters their way.


50 posted on 01/12/2005 8:40:42 PM PST by TheLion
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To: munchtipq

Strange, gun control seems to dovetail into libiralism quite nicely. It's part of "The government will do everything for everybody" idiocy that is the platform of the Democrat Party.

The gov't will take care of:

The folks who cannot support themselves, though good people and churches have done this willingly for centuries.

Protection of self, loved ones and property, though the gov't cannot be held liable for not protecting you, your loved ones and your property.

Your money, because the citizens, er...subjects don't know what's best for them, and the gov't does, though same gov't has proved time and again nothing but very inefficient money management.


52 posted on 01/12/2005 10:15:05 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (What's you point? ><BCC>)
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To: munchtipq
It's even more baffling when you frame the argument along the lines of "choice", the poster child of the left. How often have they been presented with that side--that it should be left to the individual to choose to defend his body from harm by having the means with which to do so?

In that context, the leftist anti-gunners are anti-choice, and you'd think that they more they are shown that that they'd would at least stop to reconsider their position.

53 posted on 01/13/2005 4:12:38 AM PST by Simo Hayha
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