Posted on 01/14/2005 9:46:33 AM PST by MikeEdwards
As we prepare to celebrate next week’s gala Inauguration Day festivities in Washington, DC, Conservatives need to remember some grim realities. For the past four years we have had both a Republican president and GOP majorities in Congress, yet we have not significantly reduced the number of deaths by abortion in this country.
In fact, in the 32 years since 1973, when Roe v Wade became the law of the land, more than 45.5 million unborn children in America have been sacrificed to the gods of selfishness, hedonism and personal convenience. That comes out to well over 4,000 infanticides per day, for three-plus decades.
Put in historical perspective, the abortion industry in America has slaughtered seven times as many helpless children as Adolf Hitler did Jews during his infamous Final Solution. What is the difference between Hitler and abortion? The world banned together and stopped Hitler.
These sobering facts cause me to contemplate just why this is happening in a nation founded on morals and values. One simple answer comes to mind. It is done for "the love of money which happens to be the root of all evil."
With that in mind let’s examine the profits of Planned Parenthood, the nation’s most prominent provider of so-called "abortion rights," as revealed in its 2003-04 Annual Report.
- Planned Parenthood clinics performed 244,628 surgical abortions, an increase of 6.1 percent. A total 3.5 million surgical abortions have been performed at PP clinics to since 1970.
- Planned Parenthood clinics grossed $302.6 million last year, with $104 million coming from surgical abortions.
- Total PP income for the year was $810 million, with one-third of that, or $265.2 million, coming from public funds given by our elected officials.
- The PP organization has earned net profits for. . . . .
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Funny story: One of the Murder Incorporated guys (I think it was the head of the group) got a new cellmate during WWII, a conscientious objector who had refused even to enter the service as a medic. The gangster asked him what he was in for. After hearing his story, he said, astonished, "You mean they put you in here for not killing people?"
Why should a woman have to carry and give birth to a rapist's child?
Because the only way out of that situation is to murder a small child. By pulling it apart into small pieces. Do you really believe there's any imposition so great that it justifies ripping a baby's limbs off?
I guess you don't see it as much of an imposition to be forced to carry around a rapists baby for 9 months.
What about the women that died from abortion as being about 50% of the unborn being girls.
That would put it around 500,000 a year.
I think you are right. There aren't about 1.4 million abortons a year in the USA because it is legal. It is legal because there are 1.4 million abortions a year.
I am pro life but the pro life movement's tactics have been a disaster since the early 1970s. They lost the Roe battle and have lost almost every major battle since.
I have consistently advocated that pro life attention should be in the publicity and persuasion sphere, rather than the legal one.
Hearts and minds were changed in one direction, they can be changed again, though it won't be easy. The truth is that most americans clearly don't mind having abortions legal, even if they find the practice anywhere from distasetful to immoral.
The pro life movement should concentrate on changing minds, as well as being on the right side of the abortion issues in 2005 (parental notification for minors, partial birth abortion, etc) - there is a broad consensus to build on in these positions.
Pro lifers who continue fighting the 1973 battle do more harm that good to the movement. They can't cope with the fact that they lost that battle, and almost continuouisly dropped the ball ever since. Deep denial, clearly. The leadership needs to be replaced and the tactics updated.
The 1973 gameplan failed then and it will continue to fail now.
To be clear, while I agree with your idea that the abortion culture stems from a no-consequence mindset, I don't agree with your 1%/99% analysis of forcible rape statistics.
I have no idea where you got that stuff, and it just looks very wrong to me.
I have thought that even the democrats could use the 'abortion' issue with that position. Use the Presidency as a bully pulpit and speak about the evils of abortion constantly....but make no effort to change the legality. Perhaps, small changes, like notification, etc. I think people want to follow a moral leader...one who argues against abortions, but not for government involvement.
Who will disagree with a position that abortions are wrong, and should be preformed a rarely as possible? It is only when talking about legality that people start to get emotional. The goal should be to limit abortions, not to change legal text. (think about what you want....a law, or a change in abortions? I know I would not be satisfied with illegal abortions, but them still happening....I would be much happier with legal abortions, but millions fewer occuring.)
I agree with what you are saying. Pushing the legality aspect has led our side to suffer a steady stream of setbacks for a few decades now.
Our side should shape hearts and minds - that's the best avenue towards positive change on this issue. You are correct.
Forgive the nitpicking, but that's RU-486, as in "Are you for 86?" It appears you're for 86-ing small children via a torturous death if they were conceived during a crime.
I guess you don't see it as much of an imposition to be forced to carry around a rapists baby for 9 months.
I think I made it clear that it's an imposition in my earlier post. It's a very great imposition, one that is in fact, criminal. and that leads me to the most important point here. The rapist is the one who deserves to pay for the act, not the child. If the child is killed, the child is paying for the crime. Since when does a victim going through a tough time mean she gets to murder somebody connected to the case? Since when does any action done or emotion felt by an adult justify killing a small child?
Lastly, would you consider abortion methods cruel and unusual punishment if used as execution methods for an adult criminal? If not, why not? If so, why should an innocent child be on the receiving end?
Harvesting Fetal Body Parts
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You leave out the rape victim in your calculations. What if my 13 year old daughter was raped, you would rather see her suffer for 9 months of pregnacy (the rapists kid) and then deal with the ramifications of that child for life. That is a decision that is not yours to make. That is between the rape victim and her god.
My lack of support for laws does not equal support for the procedure.
Actually, that's all it's about....money--and not some do-gooder idealist baloney.
But I'm weary of pundits blaming the present administration for not turning back 32 years of propaganda & outright lies in only 4 years.
This President has been the only one who incrementally continues to made a difference and pursue means to right the wrongs!
No it isn't, it's God's decision and he has already made it. Thou shalt do no murder.
I guess I look at the abortion issue differently than some of the people who say they're pro-life. To me it's about the sanctity of human life, and God's commandments concerning that matter. A fetus at ANY stage of life after conception is undeniably human life, and as such comes under all of God's directives and commandments concerning the taking of that life by other humans. There are several specified situations in which God has given man authority to take human life, but not a single one of those situations is applicable to a living human fetus in the womb.
If and when a 13 year-old girl is raped by her father, or by anyone, it is a horrible crime and the poor girl will no doubt suffer terribly. But that is NOT the fault of the tiny human being who is the product of that rape. We live in a fallen world, one that was created in perfection but made corrupt by man's sin. Terrible things happen to innocent people in this fallen world, but God hasn't given anyone permission to lessen the suffering of one innocent person by killing another innocent person.
The bottom line is, man is in a fallen state and as such is subject to the ravages of sin and the inevitable suffering that results from sin. The suffering of the innocent doesn't seem fair to us, but it isn't our world or our sense of fairness that guides God in his decisions. God has reserved to himself the right to take human life, and only he can delegate that right to man or to the human institutions he established, such as government. He alone decides who he will allow to terminate human life and under what conditions it is permissible to do so. There is not even a hint anywhere in scripture that God allows the deliberate murder of an innocent human fetus in order to spare another innocent person from suffering.
That is between the rape victim and her god.
I am trying to imagine what kind of god approves of the killing of an innocent
human in order to assuage an emotional and/or financial burden. Aztec? Allah?
Obviously not the same Creator mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
And I am trying to imagine the god that you think tells you that you have the right to tell others what to do - as though you, a mortal, have God's wisdom and judgment.
By your reasoning we, as a society, have no right to outlaw murder or theft or anything else. As we are all mortals what right do we have to tell others what to do?
Murder, rape, other crimes, have a perpitrator and a victim, I do not see where there is some undue burden being assumed by anyone by criminalizing those behaviors. Likening an abortion to a criminal murder or theft misses the point.
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