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Armitage says he and Powell went public to try to sway Bush [State shouldn't agree with White House]
Charleston Gazette ^
| 1-15-05
Posted on 01/14/2005 12:50:32 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Born to Conserve
I knew Powell was a mistake for Bush from the very beginning, he is as much against the USA as Kerry.
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posted on
01/14/2005 1:13:53 PM PST
by
lolhelp
To: SJackson
Stinkin' rat finks! Won't miss 'em.
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posted on
01/14/2005 1:18:56 PM PST
by
GOP_1900AD
(Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
To: peyton randolph
Major CLM (Career Limiting Move).
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posted on
01/14/2005 1:19:44 PM PST
by
GOP_1900AD
(Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
To: GOP_1900AD
Major CLM (Career Limiting Move). I doubt it. They'll both do fine.
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posted on
01/14/2005 1:33:01 PM PST
by
SJackson
( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
To: SJackson
***I can think of several Powell pronouncements regarding the middle east which made the President appear either indecisive or a liar.***
I can also. May be a stretch here but perhaps the only reason Pres Bush didn't send him packing during the first term was the mixed message he wanted to send to the enemy and Powell and Armitage were just the boys to do it. Color me smiling at the thought of them gone.
To: NorCalRepub
......Powell did a fine job then.
And he was taking orders from someone above him, so he obeyed orders, that is what military people do.
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posted on
01/14/2005 1:44:16 PM PST
by
lolhelp
To: lolhelp
well yeah, it was Pres Bush 41 but Powell devised the strategy and let the field General Schwartzkopf devise the tacitcs......remember "cut off the head and the body will die"..........
To: SJackson
so the state department is admitting that they set their own policy agenda instead of implementing the president's like they are supposed to
and the irony is that united nations wannabee bureaucracy will and is getting away with it
To: SJackson
I thought George Bush was elected President. I didn't even know that Armitage and Powell were on the ballot!
This is another data point on the meaning of a team player. When an issue is on the table, that is the time to present all points of view. However, once a decision has been made, it is back stabbing to take your point of view public and try to undermine the decision that was made.
I guess I'm not surprised at this admission from those involved.
To: SJackson
Powell and Armitage, whose friendship was forged decades ago, share foreign policy views that are distinctly more moderate than those of Bush and other key presidential advisers. They also made far more use of media interviews and speeches to promote U.S. foreign policy than their predecessors.I will be glad to hear no more of Mr. Armitage's "media interviews and speeches."
To: lolhelp
I knwe Powell was a mistake for Bush from the very beginning, he is as much against the USA as Kerry. While I have not agreed with all the stances of Powell your comments above are utterly ridiculous! - Powell is a good man and served the President well (for the most part).
He also is 100% not against America and certainly should not be spoken of in the same manner as John Kerry (a man who does not have America's best interest in mind at all).
To: SJackson
It's not easy to have staff and subordinates that resist everything you want them to do like Powell had. (Yes, in the media's Bizarro World Powell's situation is morphed into Bush's).
The media desperately tried to invent a gulf, and obviously still won't give up the attempt. Considering how dramatically the president changed foreign policy after 9/11 Powell was a loyal subordinate of historical terms at the State Dept.
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posted on
01/14/2005 2:21:47 PM PST
by
mrsmith
To: DevSix
Everyone has an opinion and ours differ. Isn't this a wonderful country, on one will shoot either one of us because we disagree.
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posted on
01/14/2005 2:30:16 PM PST
by
lolhelp
To: SJackson
Glad colin powell is gone. I cannot wait until Condeleeza Rice cleans house.
To: lolhelp
Everyone has an opinion and ours differ. Isn't this a wonderful country, on one will shoot either one of us because we disagree. Here, here - agree completely with you - and lets both keep up the good fight at getting facts out to beat what has become a completely shameless Democrat Party.
To: SJackson
IIRC, when Confucius' advice in his state of Lu was not heeded [he was a middle rank official at the time], he resigned his position, left the state of Lu and became a wandering scholar. Not only did he kept his opinions confined to official channels while employed, he did not bad-mouth his former employer even after he left, for he hoped to get employment in another state. Ever since it has been the honorable norm of behavior for dissenting officials. One could even avoid emigrating and does not have to wander around - the times are more lenient nowadays.
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posted on
01/14/2005 2:39:29 PM PST
by
GSlob
To: SJackson
"I'd rather be feckless than relevant."
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posted on
01/14/2005 3:04:03 PM PST
by
Stultis
To: Stultis
Powell and Armitage, average or slightly above average in the jobs they did. Problem is we needed superb men in those jobs. They actually never rose to the challenge, small minds and ineffective leaders both. No matter what one says about these 2, they were basically failures to this Great Country and now they are pensioned off like most of their kind. Their legacy is our State Dep't continues to be a failure and we continue to pay for that!
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posted on
01/14/2005 3:24:40 PM PST
by
iopscusa
(El Vaquero)
To: SJackson
I always knew he sucked BUMP!!
To: SJackson
Just out of curiosity, isn't the State Department under the Executive branch of government?
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